Why did Roy Jones ruin his career the way he did?

How many ko's against top 10 competition does Golata have anyway? How about Captain Kirk? Even Commander Vander has few ko's on his dossier.

If you add those guys up, ironically or not so ironically, they have more koby results than they have ko results.


Ruiz walks in. Always did. That's why Tua was a dangerous guy at that time. Tommy Morrison would have been dangerous at that time. Corrie Sanders. Even Ibeabuchi. David Haye was the first guy he fought with snap on his punches for Ruiz since the Tua disaster. Brewster. Mike Tyson was still formidable back then against the guys that stood there or even better, waded in like Etienne. That's what Ruiz does and the danger with him walking in is the hitters. That's why they are an endangered species on his opponent list. Lots of bouts and lots of boxer types though.

 

Roy Jones' resume is very good, but it doesn't nearly match his tremendous talent. I bet if Roy had his time over he'd take more risks, and force through the bigger fights, he wasted some of the prime years of his career.

 

I can't disagree with this... I am sure now if he had it to do over again, he would have tried to get a few more names on his resume..

 

Roy in his prime was never and I mean NEVER hit with a punch with full on muster on it, every time prime Roy was hit with a punch,it was always a partial or a half deflected punch, the one single time Roy was hit with a full on punch with muster on it against Lou Del Valle, Roy's legs turned into boiled spaghetti and proceeded collapse forward to the canvas.

What you and other Roy fans who deny him having a glass jaw have to understand is what I'm saying about Roy never getting hit full on in his prime is a massive compliment.....That's how great prime Roy reflexes were whether defensively or offensively that he was able to hide and disguise the fact that he had a glass jaw.

 

Nonsense. He wasn't in his prime with Griffin when he was getting lit up in the first half of the fight? He was hit over and over again by Montell Griffin clear and hard, repeatedly. The Jones we see now wouldve got KO'd by that Griffin. RJJ now gets KD by glancing blows. At the time of this fight with Griffin, Griffin had more than a 50% KO ratio, which would be Ernie Shavers type of power to the RJJ that we see today.

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He was also hit cleanly in this fight with Jorge Fernando Castro (an underrated win by the way, look at this guys record and some of his fights on Youtube) [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC3G_b-tdHQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC3G_b-tdHQ[/ame]

Like I said he was hit by Ruiz, anyone can look at the fight and see it.

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Watch the first round. This is against a heavy that had a massive weight advantage and has decent to good power, as you can't be featherfisted and KD the fighters he has. His right hand was good.

Now I have displayed some fights that show Jones getting hit CLEAN with hard shots in his prime or when he was a little green. Yit would be a great compliment, but it is NOT true -- he didn't have a great jaw, but it was average, good enough to take a shot, but not great enough to take shots throughout a fight. If he didn't have his reflexes, he more than likely wouldve got KO'd late or in the mid rounds by a big puncher. But you can get the hell outta here with this jglass jaw crap, because he did take shots. Glass jawed fighters get hurt and KO'd by fighters who don't have punching power. RJJ in his prime got hit somewhat, he got hit by Hops cleanly a few times but he did lean some of the sting off of some of the punches due to his reflexes. Jones after Tarver got hurt by glancing blows, punches who he actually blocked, but slipped through his gloves hurts him.

 

I feel the same about Calzaghe, although both made great achievements, they could have done a lot more in their primes.

 

Re watch the Toney fight... I almost forgot about it.. towards the end of round 5, Toney caught Jones with a very hard punch, snapped his head, you can even hear the thud... Roy fought fire with fire..

After the round the announcers even talked about how Roy was hit with stiff punches, and were impressed with how he dealt with it.

 

I agree, more parallels in their careers than people realise.

 

EGO ruined jones jr's career.
Ironically it's also what made him great.

You can't be an all time great with out having a huge ego. Ultimately it is everyone's downfall. Not just. Boxers

 

Tommy Morrison was retired due to having HIV, Ibeabuchi was in jail, not sure what Tyson was doing at the time, Brewster wasn't even known at the time, he didn't become known until 2004-3 ... I doubt you were even watching boxing at that time, because it appears that you don't know who was fighting at the time and who was a big name. After losing to Tua, Ruiz adapted a new style, this is around 99-2001.

He did fight big punchers in Rahman who you failed to name, and Golota did have a big punch -- why do you think fighters ran into the ring to blitz him out early? When Golota was about to fight Lewis, people gave him a chance of beating Lewis on the basis of his boxing skill and power. At the high level getting devastating KO's becomes harder, as it should be. Lets consider haye... did haye KO Wlad? No. Did he KO Sugar Nicky? No. Was Derrick Chisora really a top ten heavy weight, coming into the bout having loss 2 straight bouts? I'll say he was top ten heavy in my mind due to him probably being better than those who are in at the lower end of the top ten and lower, although he didn't beat anyone in the top ten to be considered it, just gave a spirited performance against Vitali and may have been robbed by another guy. So what top ten heavy did Haye actually KO? A shot ruiz, or a shot Barrett? Mind you, I like Haye, but your logic is all messed up.

 

I remember reading that he had to promise his mother that Ruiz would be his only fight at HW and go back down in weight as she didn't want him to take brain damage.

The sad part of the story is that RJJ made less money back at the lower weight classes (still made tens of millions though), wasted it all on his record label and insane spending and now is a broke journeyman who still got brain damaged.

Really sad.

Could have turned out differently if he took a couple 'safe' HW fights after Ruiz and cashed in big time.

 

He never ruined anything, you're just clueless. He WOULD have fought Tarver before he did others but sadly Tarver lost the eliminator fight to Harding.

Staying at heavyweight made no sense, the only other fighter worth meeting at the type was Lewis and that fight would have been a joke in favor of Lewis. There were crowds that barked "FIGHT TARVER" and others that barked "FIGHT LEWIS". If he fought Lewis you would mention how ridiculous it was that he fought Lewis but not move down for an "easier" opponent in Tarver. RJJ's career is not ruined at all, his career is set in stone and he's a proven ATG. The fact that you consider Woods a scrub proves you to being a taxi driver.

With a name like "vargasfan" I didn't expect anything rational here. You want to see a ruined career?, check out Vargas' the cheater.

 

I'm sorry but I'm not reading all of that, yes he was prime versus Griffin and was only getting hit partially......All those fights you posted up where Roy got hit were just as I said partial/deflected blows. Roy always and I repeat always had a glass jaw that was hidden by his reflexes.

 

LOL partially. O god. LOL. RJJ was getting hit clean, you don't have the bruises that Jones had on his face at the end of the fight from getting barely hit. He was getting lit up and hit hard. You have some serious blinders on, and that wasnt a lot of writing. Why respond to my post then not chose to read my reply back.