Does Jon Jones have the best GnP in MMA history?

That's why you have to take thing into the right context...but some people don't seem to understand that... !

 

I agree. I just have such a hard time with Jones, because he makes me feel like it's all or nothing. It's as if I put him in my top 4, I almost feel like I'm forced to put him at the top. I just can't do that for whatever reason. Whether that reason is valid or simply nostalgia, I don't know.

 

If nobody else is able to beat all of the "old guard" (whose abilities only started to be questioned after Jones went on a tear) in the same manner that Jones does at present, then I believe that his run is being evaluated in the proper context, and people are reaching for excuses to denigrate him.

 

You're such a biased piece of ****. First off, you sit here condescending to people about whether or not they watched the old school fights yet you don't even know that Jones stopped Shogun in two and a half rounds. Secondly, who the **** ever made Shogun quit in a fight like that? Rua took about ten flush right hands from Henderson, and he still managed to come back in the fight after Hendo gassed. Even if Shogun had lasted until the end of the fifth round before being finished, Jones did the damage with his GnP to a guy with an ATG chin. He made Shogun ****ing Rua tap to strikes after smashing the **** out him with elbows. That's a ringing endorsement of his skills if I've ever seen one.

But whatever, you can go back to prattling on with your incoherent bull**** about Jones not performing at HW and one dimensional Tito pounding out natural middleweights.

 

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Another butt hurt fan boy?

 

To be fair, it does look bad when you accuse others of not watching fights only to turn around and show that you didn't know the outcome of a very high profile fight that happened only a year ago.

 

Is that right? Simple freudian slip of the memory. I don't keep Sherdog records in my head unlike some here. I prefer to keep the fights in my collection. That one happens to be one of them.
Bottom line is i don't agree with the thread title nor the assessment given by the butt hurt fan boys in this thread. If they don't like that tough ****.

 

Scurla, when you tattooed the logo of a failed MMA organization onto your flesh, you lost the right to sneer at "butthurt fan boys."

We talk about MMA on an internet forum.

You made the decision as an adult to permanently brand yourself with the logo of a corrupt, failed organization that you never had anything to do with and which promoted a sport that you've never participated in. That's pretty much the definition of a pathetic fanboy, scurla. You're basically one step up from this guy:

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There is some truth to that.

2011 Rampage was clearly a guy who any good champion would have been heavily favoured to walk through. Though having said that, I think that Jones' ability had a lot to do with Rampages' showing. That fight was for the title and you know Rampage wanted it. He was just clueless and hesitant because he's become pretty one-dimensional over the last few years and Jones is a stylistic nightmare for any slow guy who wants to trade punches. Still, that was a gimme win for Jones, and doesn't do much for his legacy IMO. He gets points for stopping Rampage though.

Rashad I rate as a very solid win. I believe that Rashad is very underrated as a fighter.

Machida IMO was an excellent win, Jones' best so far. Machida fought very well that night, and Jones didn't go to war with him or catch him with a lucky shot. He figured out the style very quickly, adjusted to it and then submitted the Dragon easily without getting hit much at all.

Shogun clearly wasn't at his PRIDE peak, but I believe Jones made him look a lot worse than he was, and the opening knee had a LOT to do with it. We've seen Shogun go to war and get beaten up in both victory and defeat, but have we EVER seen Shogun get obliterated like that? The guy didn't win a 20 second stretch of the fight. It was totally noncompetitive and IMO that hurts Jones with some people. Because he was SO dominant right from the opening seconds of the fight, it's easy to assume that it was a case of Shogun being crap rather than Jones being amazing. But I think that Jones just came out strong, hurt Shogun badly right away, and then fought like he knew this was his moment and he was going to step up and take it. :smoke

And the LHW division has several guys who are all very competitive with each other. It's just that none of them are at all competitive with Jones. That by itself tells us something. :good

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I give Jones a lot of credit for the Machida and Evans wins, but both guys were in their 30's.

Rampage was 25 and 26 (years old) in his first 2 fights, losses, to Wanderlei. He was 29 years old when he beat Dan Henderson. He was 33 when he lost to Jones.

Wanderlei was 27 when he first beat Rampage. Wanderlei was 24 when he beat Henderson, 30 when he lost to him.

Shogun had yet to turn 24 when he had already defeated Rampage, Little Nog, Overeem, and Arona.

It's not Jones' fault the top guys aren't younger, but it doesn't exactly benefit him either.

 

Great post, you make good points.

 

This was a rough thread for Scurla. The Pride tattoo was a pretty funny twist.

 

So ****ing what? That's a totally arbitrary criticism that's divorced from reality if you think that Rashad and Machida aren't better now than they were in the past.

Rashad, in his twenties, was a one dimensional fighter who struggled with Michael Bisping and a past prime Tito Ortiz. When he knocked a couple of guys out, he turned into K-1 Rashad and refused to deviate from his shitty kickboxing strategy even after being thoroughly embarrassed in the first couple of minutes against Machida.

When Machida first came to the UFC, he was committed to point fighting and avoiding damage to a fault. People love him now, but I remember quite clearly when he was getting booed loudly during his early fights and Zuffa brass passed him over for a couple title shots because they didn't want him stinking out a PPV main event. The Thiago Silva fight was when Machida proved how dangerous he can be when he's aggressive and sits down on his strikes. (FYI that fight and his signature win over Evans both came when he was past the age of 30.)


Like I said earlier in the thread, if the this is the kind of logic that you're using, you're clearly reaching to discredit Jones. Nobody else in the division is consistently having the kind of performances that he is against top level opponents in the division. Look at Shogun. He's clearly deteriorated physically in the past few years, yet his last couple of fights have shown that he's still a dangerous fighter who's hard to put away even when he's dead tired and hurt badly. Hendo beat Shogun's brains in and couldn't get him out of there. Jones made him quit.

 

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