Does Jon Jones have the best GnP in MMA history?

"So ****ing what?" I made a post with examples of 20 something year olds fighting 20 something year olds. That was the entire point. Wanderlei was 20 when he turned pro, and was 24 when he began his long streak of fights without a loss. Rampage was 21 when he turned pro, and 25 when he first defeated Liddell.

I'll say it again, Shogun had yet to turn 24 when he had already defeated Rampage, Little Nog, Overeem, and Arona. Against Shogun; Rampage was 26, Little Nog was 29, Overeem was 25, and Arona was 27.

I can't help it that Jones does not have the same sort of contemporaries to fight against as the people I mentioned earlier. I haven't even said it would keep him from being the best to ever fight at 205. I did say this:

I honestly haven't done an all time 205 list in quite a while. I don't know where I would put Jones at now. I'm sure I'll have to face my all or nothing feeling as soon as I do.

In regards to Rashad and Machida being better in their 30's, of course they are. They are great wins for a resume regardless of their ages, because they are still performing at a high level. They are better technically than they were in their 20's. Rashad is definitely harder to beat now more than then. They are not the athletes they were in their 20's, which is more of the point I was getting at.

Rua was facing fighters like him, that were young like him. The same goes for Wanderlei. They're not any young fighters like Jones near the top now. That amounts to something whether you want to admit it or not. How much it is relevant is debatable.

I don't know if you've mistaken me for someone else, but I would like for you to point out where I have ever discredited Jones. Where have I ever said he is over hyped, no where near an all time great, or where I've put he isn't one of the biggest head to head nightmares ever.

I haven't even commented on how great/not great his ground and pound is. It's one of the best I've ever seen if you are wondering. It's hard for me to say it's better than Hughes,' or Fedor's; but he is definitely right there with them.

If you think I've said something that is out of line than you are far closer to being a nut hugger than I am to offering arbitrary criticism.

 

Evans gets a lot of hate, IMO due to his personality and TUF origin story. But he is a top-level fighter who has shown that he continues to work intelligently and evolve his game.

And I would dispute your claim that he was "widely considered" to be the #2 LHW "for years". I made a poll on this forum straight after his very impressive UD over Davis, and the majority of posters on this board didn't consider him the #2 guy even straight after perhaps his career-best performance. Which came at a time when Jon Jones had brutally slaughtered almost everyone except Rashad. :bart

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Who has a PrideFC tattoo? That's pretty cool.
Pride> All orgs.

 

Basically all your comments about Rashad being underrated and getting a lot of hate should be followed with "on this forum" because overall he is an overrated fighter.