How would JDS beating Overeem and Cormier compare to Fedor beating Nog and CC?

I think considering the talent out there, it is a pretty good overall comparison at glance.

Seems like a fair comparison. He can become legendary if he pulls off a streak of two, I think Cain will take him down and pound him this time. I think a fight vs Overeem is 50/50, so hell yeah, give him his due if he pulls it off.

It's pretty cool to think about it in these terms. Really great time in heavyweight MMA right now.

 

If that happens, it will take time to see if those wins have the same effect. It's too soon to tell because Velasquez and Cormier haven't been around long enough.

When Fedor faced Nogueira, Nogueira was 19-1-1 with his only loss coming to Dan Henderson. Nogueira had just avenged the Henderson loss before the Fedor fight. Nogueira had also defeated former UFC Champion Mark Coleman before this fight.

Fedor was 12-1, with his only loss being coming after being stopped by a cut caused by an elbow in the 1st round of fight where elbows were against the rules. Fedor had an impressive win of Heath Herring, but was an underdog going into this fight.

Nogueira was 10-2-1nc in his final PRIDE fights after his initial meeting with Fedor. One of the losses, and no contest, were both to Fedor. The other loss was a decision dropped to Barnett. Nogueira avenged that lost in their next fight.

Cro Cop was 16-2-2 when he faced Fedor. Cro Cop was also a feared striker carrying impressive K1 credential with him into every fight. Cro Cop also had impressive wins over Barnett, Randleman, Coleman, and Fedor brother going into their fight. Cro Cop was 5-1 in his next 6 bouts, including 2 more wins over Barnett.

Velasquez was 9-0, coming off a year lay-off, when he faced JDS. Velasquez could very well go down as being as good a win for Dos Santon as the aforementioned were for Fedor. It is just too early to tell.

Cormier is 10-0, but only has 2 impressive wins on his resume. A win over this Olympian would be big for Dos Santos now, but it could become even bigger once Cormier has a chance for his career to play out.

 

My apologies, I'm drinking. Bygones. I'll give you my opinion on Overeem.

Overeem achieved little more than becoming a respectable opponent at 205. He was in no way near becoming the sport's best at that weight. In his defense, he began his career in mma but branched out to K1 and began to focus on his striking. Overeem packed on slabs of muscle and moved to heavyweight. Overeem looked impressive at heavyweight, but didn't step up in class for quite a while. When he did, he faced Werdum. I'm in the small minority of people that think he lost to Werdum. Then he got the biggest win of his heavyweight career over Lesnar. Lesnar fought a stupid fight, but the win was no fluke. Cro Cop accomplished way more in his first 20 fights than Overeem has come anywhere close to doing in 48.

 

A rematch win over fully-fit Velasquez would be more impressive than a win over Overeem IMO. Cain would beat the dog**** out of the Dutchman, and his style is more difficult for Cigano to deal with, as we will see in the rematch, which will be a war.

 

One thing you have to remember here is that Nogueira did prove to be the #2 hw ever by compiling (in my eyes) the best MMA resume of all-time. Before the 1st Fedor fight, he'd already beaten Coleman, Herring and Sapp. By the 2nd/3rd Fedor fights, he'd beaten Crocop, Ricco Rodriguez, Herring again and Kharitonov. And after the Fedor fights were over, he then went on to beat Werdum, Barnett, and Sylvia amongst others.

It's doubtful whether Velasquez, Cormier or Overeem will ever come close to this type of ATG resume. Nog was proven, the real deal.

 

A win over Overeem wouldnt compare. If Overeem starts loosing then many people will put his past wins at HW as nothing more than horse meat enhancements.

 

At that stage you must look at must look at nog and cc record outside of fedor. Reem isn't close. Cormier is giving it a good go.

 

Give JDS 3 more title defences and he'll be tied with Fedor on four :deal

But seriously, I think if he goes on a good run with the belt, he'll definitely be in the discussion with the top 2. I think a win over...um Reem, Cormier, or Cain, will put him above Mirko already imho

 

It doesn't compare.

 

The problem with JDS is there isn't really a Nog in the division - someone other than the champion who's beaten everyone other than the top guy. Maybe Cain turns out to be that guy but in reality when you breakdown his record its not there yet. Fedor's greatest claim to being the best heavyweight ever is the two wins over Nog - its going to take some time until JDS can match that.

 

Dude, your onto something...Sinead looks like Fedor...long lost sister perhaps [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUiTQvT0W_0[/ame]

 

It is an interesting conundrum on paper, Reem is weakest on the bottom against wrestlers Id say, Cain's stand up isnt the best and maybe his chin too, and Cormier is a great wrestler with decent hands which havent really been tested by someone who can really strike, but could pprobably take anyone down. And that's assuming JDS holds onto the belt, add a couple of potential wild cards like potentially Browne in the future, Josh is still no pushover and Carwin can stop anyone on his day. , and Werdums stand is getting better lately too

 

Very soon to ask something like this in my opinion.....who knows how great Cormier can be in the future ?
I can´t see Overeem viewed as some special MMA fighter in the future.....so IMO no comparison.....at least for now.