Ring's top 10 British HW's, all time - your thoughts?

I don't understand why these journeymen are being given such prestige. For every good performance they had a bad performance. They don't particularly impress on film and they don't have a good enough resume to disregard their filmed showings.

Sure they might have picked up a large enough volume of meaningful victories to be ranked above him. They might have spent long enough in the rankings to be ranked above him.

But based on a fight prediction I can honestly say i'd make haye a betting favourite over them all bar louis.

The reason h2h lists are so **** is because, like janitor says, we can all play god.

But the list is what it is and haye would be number 2 on mine if I was to compile a similar list.

The worst thing is, there's no way to ever determine who's right or wrong.

 

Haye was pretty chinny and unconvincing as a boxer-puncher at cruiser as well.

I'd hardly call stuff like his fight with an ancient mormeck unifying in devastating fashion.It was unspectacular stuff as per the usual cruiserweight stuff post holy-qawi.

 

What about the fight against a past his sell by date Carl Thompson.

 

You're right, we can all have our opinion, it's all speculation. I think some of us just have reservations still because we're talking about a "world heavyweight champ here who has never fought a ranked fighter. It's a lot harder to look good against top fighters, even young hungry ones with talent and ambition.

 

sure some of the bare essentials were positive...stoppage loss against champ in an away scenario.....but it was a fight of a rather ordinary quality full of obvious flaws from both men. not exactly something i would be pointing to if i was trying to make Haye out to be a badass cruiser talent, someone who could wipe the floor with every British heavy\cruiser there ever was.

**** haye.He's an unskilled semi-active conman with good speed and power.No more.A poor man's(at best) Corrie sanders.

 

then again that's more than good enough to get into a top ten Brit heavyweight list.

I'd even be tempted to put Conteh and Bunny Johnson in there as well to be honest.

 

As a cruiserweight , Oneil Bell > David Haye , but p4p Haye's demolitions of Ruiz , Barrett , Harrison , Chisora and his lasting d distance with Valuev and Wladimir , all combined and then combined with his cruiserweight (less than Bell's) legacy is actually impressing and telling (as a whole , not individually) .

Haye is good 4 real .
d 2nd , arguably d 1st gr8est UK fighter of at least d recent 10 yrs .

Nelson & Hamed did not do much in d last 10 yrs and Haye is arguably better than them .


Johnny Nelson had his stoppage loss 2 Norbert Ekassi .

 

His claim is hw champ is spurious at best.

That being said he has beaten ranked fighter's before, it's daft to say otherwise

 

I am not saying that Haye is no good. He is the real deal as a puncher. He is the type of puncher you don't get very often, who doesn’t even have to hit people cleanly to hurt them. He is also a very good ring general.

For all the talent that he has displayed on film, you should by now have detected a couple of glaring weaknesses, and suspect a couple more. The quality of the fighters that he has showcased his talent against, should further reinforce you in these fears.

 

Not any heavyweights I'd rank Having said that, I do think he's a good fighter and I hope he goes on and proves it. I'll be wanting him to beat Vitali if and when it comes off.

 

Those are good points, however I don't see the guys below him on this list as capable of exploiting those weaknesses. Let's face it british boxess are ****

 

What I find significant about Haye is that after beating Chisora, did Haye call out the almost universally recognised divison's number 1 who had had already beaten him in a chance to get revenge AND recognition as the division's number 1...

or...

call out the aging, declining elder sibling of the above?

He called out the latter...why? Because he was looking for the "easier" option. That tells me a lot about Haye's mentality...he is not looking for the biggest challenge, he is looking for the best available sure-fire win...not a quality that endears him to me...not exactly a "warrior" mentality...

 

Yes, boxrec does not tell the whole story. Like how Sprott was low blowed into oblivion in their second fight.
I thought the 3rd fight was a fair decision.

Williams wasn't much better than Sprott.

Haye isn't "harder to hit" than Bugner or Farr. he's only hard to hit when he completely shuts down his offense and backpedals. He takes jabs in the face from plodders like ancient Ruiz.

It's not just "who has he beat?", it's ... How many men has he even fought who were actual deserving top 10 HW contenders in this era ?
Guys like Barrett and Harrison weren't even contenders in his own time.
I don't think Ruiz was deserving of a top 10 place in 2010.
Even Valuev had arguably become a borderline case.