Ring's top 10 British HW's, all time - your thoughts?

Interesting, I've had a partial of tear of mine, I could barely walk for am month or so, didn't get it operated it, stops you running, still can't run 8months on. I can still box on it though now though without it impacting me much. But yes he won't be doing roadwork after that, although I wonder how much roadwork most HWs do these days anyway. He could sub in other cardio to stay in shape if need be

I reckon your liver being done in from Hepititis is probably going to be a bigger factor. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the Hep didn't trigger the achiles injury in the first place as your body/joints can't recover as quick

 

Farr should be #3 and Cockell....jeez.

 

Is Adamek really better than Chisora given Chisora performed better against Vitali? I'd say no. Haye-Chisora was actually good match up, Chisora's pressure made Haye uncomfortable and if it'd gone late Chisora might have pulled it off

 

I suspect Chisora was "in the same class" as Adamek and Povetkin nowadays anyway.
I don't know if he'll stay at that level now though.

There's probably 6 - 10 fighters below Wlad who are interchangeable. I'd be tempted to say Haye deserves to be #2 and Vitali #3.

Yes, pressure makes Haye uncomfortable. Actually does, not just in a theoretical way like people say about Wlad. Pressure shuts Haye's offensive capabilities down to zilch. One of the glaring flaws in his limited "skillset", imo.
(The other obvious one is his wild scrappy offense when he turns it back on).

 

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Pressure makes haye uncomfortable? Based on what?

Ruiz made him look bad at times but he wasn't able to spar for that fight and still pretty much dominated.

I think front foot jabbing pressure, like wlad used, puts in in a place where he's next to useless. Chisora played right into haye's hands though, maybe if derek was stronger he'd have fared better but all he did was basically walk into haye's punches till he dropped. I'm not sure what style is best against haye as aside from wlad and valuev he's dominated every other fight. I see no reason to favour say corbett, braddock, jeffries or sharkey over haye. I think all the other champs I would though.

The most difficult thing is like mcg says, he hasn't fought in his own class which makes it all guess work. Seeing him against a genuine top 5 man like pulev, chambers, adamek or povetkin would answer questions. I'm not sure vitali would because a 40 year old robot should lose to any prime athlete.

Also on chag, I thought he looked great against valuev and ruiz and that's when both where top 5 opponents.

It was a weird decline, he looked bad against skelton who was the best in britain at the time and was making everyone look bad. He then looked bad against drummond but it was stopped early cos of a cut and suddenly he got dominated by wlad and was pretty much declared shot to the point that noone gave him a chance against the equally declined povetkin. Very quick downfall.

 

This man is numero uno.

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What an embarrassement of riches we have produced.

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:huh It's hardly just theoretical with volodymr either.

 

keep in mind too, the BBBofC or whomever made and withheld the Rules, did absolutely No Favours to our fighters, particularily the Bigmen. Remember up untill what ever date it was (60s?) they Changed the Rule; "Instant Disqualification (DQ'd), for a Low Blow..."

this FORCED the British Upright style, and it was so much apart of the boxers psyche and style, whenever they fought the Yanks they just couldn't adjust and often took a good beating.

the Board finally dropped the rediculous rule, but for years their pride wouldn't bite!

 

The more I learn about the BBBC in the first half of the 20th century, the more I dispair of it!

 

id have farr where bruno is

 

I mean Wladimir shuts down the vast majority of his opponents so effectively that his discomfort with pressure is never even visible.

 

He's been stopped more than once because of it and even when winning against the likes of peter it's obvious he doesn't like it

Sure for a good few years now he's won the vast majority of his fights well enough, but often with safety first approach that was adopted after some bad setbacks with aggressive fighters.

A good amount of the time he's just not been fighting opponent's good enough to really get to him anymore, now that he's more cautious.Gets kudos for adapting his style successfully, but the weakness is there and genuine, not speculative imo.

 

Wlad improved a lot after 2005. We already saw what a much improved Wlad did to sam peter in 2010....Wlad of 2010 can deal with pretty much any heavyweight in history save a select few.