Prime Johnson v Prime Langford,Jeannette,McVey

How Jeanette´s style is described in the newspapers of that time, McVey ??
Watching him against LAngford he looks like a difficult guy to someone with a defensive mind like Johnson.....

 

OK, so how would each of these men be a threat?

In Langford’s case, he would have been a threat simply because he had developed into one of the greatest finishers of all time. By 1910, he was arguably a more dangerous finisher than Joe Louis in some ways. As Johnson declines, the chance of him getting caught in one of Langford’s traps increases.

In the case of Jeanette, he was nothing if not awkward. When you match two technicians, it is inherently difficult to predict the outcome, even if one of the two is better. As Jeanette grows in experience and Johnson slows down, he might just find a chess game that will allow him to win. Of course as champion, Johnson might make it an ND bout.

McVea probably poses the least threat of the three. It is difficult to see what he could do to win this. The bottom line is that he won't be able to outpoint Johnson, and he probably won't be able to stop him either. He might be able to outlast an older Johnson, or perhaps he can land a left hook out of the blue, but it probably doesn’t happen

 

The thing is though Janitor.. this is a PRIME Johnson for this thread.. Even still, I have a hard time envisioning Langford beating even a slipping Johnson... 1910 and before, slim to no chance of any of them winning. After 1910.. and Johnson declining..I still don't really see it. Sure, langford could win 1 or 2 out of 10 against Johnson, but Johnson would always dominate and win the majority imo

 

You’re an idiot.

Johnson’s wins over a 20 year old 156 pound Sam Langford, a teenaged Sam MCVey and a novice Joe Jeanette who sometimes sported a losing record means Jack, pun intended.

Despite having a huge edge in age, and experience, Johnson failed to stop Langford and Jeanette, and only once stopped MCVey when McVey it seems ran out of steam in round 20.

In their primes, Johnson avoided these men, and since he could not knock out not ready for prime time versions of Jeanette or Langford, you can pretty much take the KO win for Johnson off the table from 1908-1915

If you read reports, you will note that Ferguson’s win over Jeanette was very suspect! Also, Ferguson was not very good. He lost 22 times, and drew 13 times. Johnson “handled Ferguson you say? Not always,
Here is a copy from Box Rec on their 1905 match. It sounds like the match was about even before the DQ. Take note, Ferguson might have fouled because one or two of Johnson’s punches might have gone low J

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Jack Johnson went...

1-0 vs. Sam Langford

4-1-2 vs. Joe Jeannette

3-0 (1) vs. Sam McVea

8-1-2 (1) in 11 fights vs. these men.

With that said, perhaps Jeanette and Mcvea had not yet peaked when Johnson beat them.

How would Johnson have done vs. Harry Wills?

Johnson also went-

1-1-1 (1) vs. John Klondike Haynes

he also faced-

Young Peter Jackson W12, Bob Fitzsimmons KO2, Tommy Burns KO14 (I count it as a KO), Philadelphia Jack O'Brien D6, Stanley Ketchel KO12, and James J. Jeffried KO15 among others.

IMO, you have to rate Johnson ahead of Langford, Jeannette, McVea, and Wills but they were all very good fighters who were close in ability.