How many from Robinson's Ledger Could/Would've Beaten Jones Jr?

Good point.

 

I don´t know. That´s my big problem with Roy. He looks fantastic in or near his prime - there are weaknesses though, those are very hard to exploit though. And he always took the easy road thus he never was truly tested at his best. That´s why I don´t feel confident picking him over fighters as proven as the ones mentioned in this thread so far. Especially at mw. I don´t feel confident picking those fighters over him either though.

Ray would beat him at 160 though. Ray´s combination of skill, speed, power and epxerience at that weight would be too much for a rather inexperienced Jones whose athleticism advantage would be the smallest of his career and the size advantage would be offset by his lack of experience.

 

At 160, LaMotta beats him. He's far too strong and aggressive for Jones to ourbox, and Roy had no chance of knocking him out.

Fullmer is hard to say. It would be obvious after he first two rounds if Jones was too slick and quick or if Fullmer was to hard-working and strong.

Maxim and Olson both lose, Olson is knocked out and Graziano is also knocked out.

 

Sigh.

 

Am I wrong?

 

Realistically most wouldn't win a round, maybe someone like Turpin with his timing, use of distance and jab could win a round. But most wouldn't win a round.

Robinson would probably get beat on too, just too small and weak.

 

I'd say no, Ray punched himself out and was completely dehydrated in the heat.

In an air conditioned arena he probably wins

But in the Classic it's 'any win is a win, quit with the excuses unless it's Duran'

 

Yes Maxim got the win. I only stated that in response to Jones "creaming" Maxim.

Thats basically what Robinson was doing. It just happened to be one of the hottest nights in New York history on that date. The referee couldnt make it past 10 rounds and he wasnt even fighting.

It was a fluke outcome. A simple fact.

 

Not a fluke. Robinson fought at an unsustainable pace. The heat was there for both men one conserved energy and one didn't.

In an air conditioned arena it's possible maxim would have fought at a harder pace and created a totally different fight but that's all conjecture in a universe we don't exist in. In real life robinson fought an ill advised game plan. So no it's no fluke, it's stupidity. I'm not saying maxin saw him tiring and new he was gonna faint, i'm saying maxim was able to finish the fight and robinson wasn't.

P.s duran got embarrassed in the rematch with leonard, no excuses necessary.

 

I've been through this time and again. When a big man fights a smaller man, the smaller man has to use more energy to offset the size advantage. Thus he is at more of a disadvantage from extreme conditions, ie extreme heat

Now 175 may have been a bridge too far for Robinson anyway and Maxim may have won in an air conditioned arena, but he didn't show much to make me think he would, he wasn't doing anything particularly impressive or breaking Robinson down

 

how's this for you, RJJ was NEVER a middleweight, he merely passed through it, like soooo many fighters starting out young and 'light', then leveling off at their true or best weight and finishing heavier...

plenty of people SRR fought could have tested or beaten Jones, but for the best answer, the question has to be first asked accurate.

"how many L-HWs could've/would've beaten RJJ? because that IS what he was, a L-HW!!!

 

well then it's just tough **** isn't it? no way Robinson could win. If he had to fight at a frantic pace to defeat Maxim he was ****ed because it wasn't sustainable.

 

of course he was a MW, a fukin good mw at that!

 

Pure ignorance, his olympic win was at 156lbs and he was a MW for 5years and didn't move to LHW until he was 27

@ any of Robinson's opponents beating a prime RJJ atsch

 

None of that changes the fact that it's a fluke win. Stoke might beat Barce once in a 100 times in the rain on a muddy pitch when Messi suffers a twisted ankle, it doesn't mean they'd win every time