Should Henry Armstrong be ranked higher than Ray Robinson?

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  1. MrBumboclart

    MrBumboclart Active Member Full Member

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    3 weight division champ
    Held 3 titles at one time
    Ranks inside the top 5-10 of at least 3 weight divisions
    Awesome resume with wins over ATG's at multiple weights
    Was deserving of a 4th title so in reality could have been a champ at 4 weight classes

    Should he be ranked higher than Ray Robinson? Is the loss Armstrong suffered to Robinson held against him in being ranked higher - eventhough he was far past his best?
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good question :good I'll have to think about this one. Tough........very tough one to call.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    I wouldn't rank him higher to be honest. Robinson spent about a decade as the best fighter in the world and that was before he retired. After retirement he was clearly past his best and inconsistent but he could still pull off great victories.

    Robinson's resume is stacked also plus I think he's the best actual boxer in history.

    I'd rank armstrong number 4.
     
  4. Stevie G

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    I rate 1946-52 as Ray's most signifigant years.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    It depends on your criteria, Armstrong did it in more divisions, but he wasn't as dominant as Robinson, picking up losses around his prime years
     
  6. Stevie G

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    This is pretty signifigant. It's helped me make up my own mind.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Having Armstrong higher is fine.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    Was it 52 when he fought maxim and retired?

    For me it's 42 until then. When he stopped zivic in the rematch he put himself above the rest of the field imo.
     
  9. MrBumboclart

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    4? Really? Can you post your top 10?
     
  10. MrBumboclart

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    Good point but he was jumping around 3 weights constantly fighting the best there was there. Imagine Ray Robinson fighting at 147 then 175 then 160, Armstrong did this constantly with feather, light and welter.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    I can't tbh, it's undergoing some changes with regards to louis, ali, duran and b leonard.

    My top 5 however is:

    Greb/Fitz/Robinson
    Armstrong
    Langford

    I'm undecided on my rankings after then.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I have him at four too. 1-5 is fine with me.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    Robinson did actually fight at 3 weights, 135, 147 and 160 and should have been lightweight champion. Both had fights in a 4th division too, Armstrong maybe should have got that 4th title

    Armstrong has his losses at 126 and 135 and he didn't fight some of the best at 147, ie Burley, Cocoa Kid, Holman Williams
     
  14. MrBumboclart

    MrBumboclart Active Member Full Member

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    Do you have Ray above Armstrong then?
     
  15. WhyYouLittle

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    What do you mean by 'actual boxer'? Style wise?