Pernell vs Manny..If your fans of both these fighters what would be your prediction?

Southpaw... you should really watch more Pea... Most everybody is saying the same thing.. do you think they are all wrong?

 

In regards to Frazier Marciano...Others suspect a troll???

First I never called you a noob (unless you have 2 ID's?)...2nd when you look just to make argument just for the sake of argument, and many are outlandish over the top claims....troll comes to mind!

Now I am not sure if you are and don't really care one way or another....

When you made a legitimate post and encouraged good open discussion I reponded to your Bob Foster thread as an example.

Troll??? Time will tell....

 

You did make a point. But, let's take the Raheem fight for example. If Manny would have fought him, you'd be talking about how Pacquiao refused to fight Morales in a rematch because he did beat him once and was scared to fight him. Furthermore, Raheem lost to Acelino Freitas before the Pacquiao vs Morales II fight, so I guess it's only fair to assume that Manny in fact avoided Acelino Freitas. If you think about it, a rematch against Erik would make much more sense than a fight against Raheem who, like I said, lost to Freitas.

About Mayweather, it's kind of hard to tell who's ducking who. Maybe they're both ducking each other, and we pick sides without having any clear idea of what's going on.

About Guzman, I don't have any clue about why he didn't fight against Manny. But don't think just because they never fought means Manny and 'his team' are afraid of him. At the end of the day, we're not talking about a sport anymore, we're talking about a business, so not everything comes down to one fighter being scared of another one.

With that being said, I must say again that I don't understand how Manny avoiding (or not) boxers who you think would cause him trouble is any relevant to Manny fighting Pernell in a fantasy match.

If you're so sensitive about me defending Manny, cause I don't think I've ever said he would win for sure against Pernell, you should have started a thread about how Pernell would destroy Pacquiao just because you think so.

 

Nate Campbell disaster - Guzman was one step away from making a name for himself - Guzman flushed his career down the toilet.

 

Want to know why they didn't fight Guzman? Roach is on record as saying it's the wrong style, this was back when both were at 130.

I'm not sensitive, I'm debating with you about how good Manny's footwork is against movers. He has allot of problems with them and can't cut off the ring. So you're statement 'Manny has great footwork' is in my view wrong

BTW Raheem deserved the decision over Freitas, but you're right a fight with Pacquaio wasn't obvious after that fight. Manny went on to fight the weakest lightweight titlist at the time in David Diaz

Pretty much, Guzman moved from being potential P4P top3 to a nobody right then. If only he discovered mass dosing ephedrine and caffiene to kill his appetite. I think he's 1 of those guys who got too used to cutting weight in the last few days.

 

I don't recall saying in this thread that Manny has 'great' footwork. I said he has the footwork that will allow him to counter Pernell and hit him. Whitaker, even though he's a great counterpuncher, tends to overextends using his jab, and Manny has the speed and the power to knock him down if he catches him off-balance. That was my point when I said that Manny's footwork can work in his advantage.

 

You mean in terms of his step in to his straight left? In that case fair enough, I don't agree personally but all the best

 

Oh yeah, Pernell was definitely faster as a lightweight too, but Manny was much faster and more explosive in his fights at 140 and below. In far too many of his fights at 147 he looks slower, less mobile, less explosive, and guys have had a much better record of keeping him at bay with even fairly basic defense. (Cotto had a fair amount of success running and jabbing, he couldn't break through Clottey's guard or Mosley's sub-par moving, and Bradley was able to get out of his way despite an injured ankle. Those do not bode well against someone of Whitaker's caliber.)

At least at 135-140 and below he seemed to be much better equipped to deal with chasing someone down, dealing with skilled fighters and counter punchers, and he hadn't lost his speed and explosiveness. Except for the Pacquiaop that showed up in the Cotto and De La Hoya fights, sending any version of Manny that I've seen so far at 147 against Whitaker would be asking for a whitewash. And sending the Cotto or DLH version he would still probably be beat, it just would be more respectable.

All just my opinion, of course.

 

True, but you have to be able to deliver that power, and do so flush. A very hard task against Whitaker, who, while occasionally knocked down when caught off balance, was never knocked out and stood up to blows from some heavy hitters, including going all but toe to toe with Trinidad when Whitaker was a washed up coke fiend.

 

135 could have been an interesting weight for Manny.Pity we never saw him tested there.

Above that best for best, Pea would thrash him.

 

Now if there's one guy I'd be certain would tattoo Manny's fod it would be Whitaker.