Can a Fighter be Unshot or become Undamaged Goods by moving up in weight?

these were the exact words from the *****s when describing cotto's opposition at JMW. that was until floyd decided to fight cotto.

 

Paulie Malignaggi

 

Yes, I do know that Pac is a smalll welter. Does Pac? Because I believe one of his claim is a championship at 154?

However, it does not change the fact that the thread starter is trying to make the point that Cotto is no better than when Pac fought him. Trying to down play PBF win or make more of the difficulty that Cotto presented to Mayweather. When the fact is Pac will not even take the fight at 154lbs. That in itself speaks volumes about the threat Cotto presents at that weight, shot or not...especially enlight of the way Pac won the first time.

 

pac maxed-out at WW. that is the point of the TS. the other point is that floyd fans have been saying that cotto was shot and damged goods before pac fought him. but suddenly becomes unshot and undamaged goods just because floyd was fighting him next.

 

The way Pac won against Cotto, the weight should not be an issue. Unless, team Pac believes Cotto to be more dangerous at that weight. Which means that Mayweather fought a better version than Pac, otherwise make the rematch at 154lbs and show that you are a better fighter than Floyd by dominating like the first fight.

As to being shot or not, you can only tell by a fighter's body of work after a particular time or fight. I believe Cotto will never be the same fighter after the Margo fight. However can he still compete at a high level? Yes. Does this make him shot depends on how you look at it.

 

what's the point though of having to fight a fighter that you have dominated back when both of you are much fresher and 3 years younger? and assuming that cotto beats pac at 154, what does it prove? that cotto is better than pac or is that pac could not handle the weight higher than 150 as what he and his camp already said after fighting margarito at 150.
pac fought dela hoya at 147 instead of 154 where floyd fought him. should pac have jumped 3 divisions instead of 2 before?

as it is, pac is naturally smaller than floyd. floyd has been at WW since 2006 so him fighting at JMW is not as taxing to his body as pac going to the weight. even floyd has already said that what pac was doing right now at WW is like him going up and knocking out HWs (floyd exaggeration, but you do get the point?).

 

I don't know what you call it, but against Floyd Cotto seemed as prepared, mentally and physically, as I've ever seen him.

As opposed to coming off of 2 beatings and being self trained vs Pacquiao. Let's not ignore the facts.

 

what 2 beatings?

cotto was coming off two beatings (margarito and pacquiao) when floyd fought him. cotto was coming off 1 beating when pac fought him (margarito) unless that you considered clottey beating cotto as well?

 

Perhaps trying to count the Clottey fight as a beating.

Then even worse that Cotto came from "3" beatings before Floyd fought him.

 

A couple of points, the same way Pac could say he could not handle the weight, Cotto could say he could not make the weight. I mean there is a reason fighters move up. Floyd can not make 130 and be effective anymore. The other point is you can not continue to use the two fights between Cotto and Pac/PBF as a measuring stick.

I think Cotto is more comfortable at 154lbs now than he was at 145 when he fought Pac. However, I dont think that why he lost. I think he grossly underestimated Pac. A mistake Floyd did not make when preparing for Cotto. Cotto would not make that mistake again, this for me is why the rematch would be intriguing. I just dont think Cotto can make anything less than 154.

 

then if he counts clottey as a beating for cotto, then you could easily count mayorga (cotto lost 3 rounds and was tagged heavily) as another beating that cotto suffered thus making it cotto is coming off 4 "beatings" when floyd fought him.

i wish *****s have some decency to think first before trying to downplay pac's accomplishments because they don't know how stupid they would sound later. cotto was shot and damaged goods. oh wait, cotto was not shot after all (seeing that floyd would fight cotto next) but he was drained in the pac fight. atsch

 

so if both could not agree to a certain weight now, then both should not fight. it's quite different though during their first fight. they both agreed to a certain contracted weight which is 145 so there should be no issue there.

remember that cotto was 3 years younger when the fight with pac happened and he was actually fighting at WW. you cannot surely say that cotto was comfortable at LMW than he was at WW or than he was at LWW.

remember that cotto was actually requesting a catchweight of 150 against margarito, the fight before floyd. he still can easily make the weight imo. remember that cotto was not considered a big WW when he was fighting at the weight.

 

And one of the reason he agreed on the 145lbs is that he and his team underestimated Pac.

He is not going to make that mistake again which is why they can not agree on the weight. So, I agree they simply should not fight.


As to whether or not Cotto was more comfortable at 147 or 154lbs was fighting at welterweight or not does not mean he was making the weight and still maintaining his stregnth and endurance. He did move up right away. But, chances are it was a combination of things why Cotto performed poorly for that stretch of time. Trainer issues, family dispute that resulted in civil and criminal liabilities, first loss which eventually became a scandal....

But personally, I think the car accident Cotto had greatly effected his physical performance. He has not been the same since. And that was prior to Margo, Pac and Floyd.

 

Wasn't that car accident back when he was still a novice (like less than 10 fights)? Or he had another one?

 

Yes, it was early on in his career but it completely changed how he boxed. Go to his early fights, he was very more of a boxer, after the accident he turned into a slugger.