Lennox Lewis Top 15 ATG..

Wow.

Jeffries is barely a top 10 Heavyweight, he doesn't touch my top 10, never mind top 5. I don't know what ******ed criteria you're using to gauge that.

Liston's resume doesn't touch Lewis' either, IMO. Lewis longeivity really makes it a one horse race between those 2 aswell.

 

Lennox never loses to good fighters.

His only real weakness is his complacency, which wouldnt be a factor against any of the big names you mentioned.

 

I never asked "Why was the belt vacated?..."

It was belt vacated the exact same way as for Lewis byrd- the champ didnt want to make the fight.

WHY ?

Because there was better options in both cases.

 

This. I'd probably go higher than 12-15 even to be honest. It's a tough case to say he's not a top 10 heavyweight of all time I think. He's clearly ahead of some pretty great fighters like Sonny Liston an Floyd Patterson.

 

How does Ezzard Charles rank?
He has a monster of a resume.

 

I'm sure you already know that the reason he didn't fight Ruiz is completely understandable,but I agree that the statistics don't tell the whole story about Byrd.I think there's no doubt that there was an element of vanity and not wanting to look bad on the advice of Steward but it's balanced by the fact that HBO didn't want the fight and neither did the public.Lewis didn't want to get involved with King unless the public demanded it.I think it a lot depends on exactly when you think he should've fought Byrd.Let's face it,I'll freely admit Lewis wasn't the most popular #1.I just feel that,a bit like Vitali in a rematch,he didn't think Byrd would matter much in years to come.
With the amateur thing and the popularity of Bowe,you know fine well that Bowe-Lewis not happening because of Bowe is in a different stratosphere from the comparitive fights you suggest.

 

Top 5 heavyweights of Lennox's generation(B 1955-1975)

1. Lennox Lewis (1965)
2. Mike Tyson (1966)
3. Evander Holyfield (1962)
4. Vitali Klitschko (1971)
5. Riddick Bowe (1968 8)

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^^^Thats for you sonnynboy

 

Lewis longevity? He ran into retirement thus ending his career 4 or 5 years early when Klitschko came around. Longevity.
Jeffries was athletic as hell,sick chin and never put down in his prime even once,only had one loss,had power into fights. His one loss came to a ATG named Mr.Jack Johnson not some scrub named Rahman or Oliver Mccall.
The thing that seriously hurt Lewis was his 2 losses to guys who were supposedly much lesser fighters. If Lewis lost to good or great fighters,it wouldn't be so bad. Jim has a KO win over 3 division world champion Bob Fitzsimmons! In round 20! Come on man. Do some more research on Jim. He was awesome. His left hook was a great punch.

And Sonny Liston was a far better boxer than given credit for. His chin was rock solid. Liston was beaten twice in his prime by a man who was pretty good named Ali. And lost to Martin when he was old and shot.
Sonny was a great puncher obviously but he fought well on the inside and outside which is rare. Liston beat Prime Patterson twice. Patterson was a great fighter in his own right.

 

:rofl

 

It would have been better to lose to good fighters! Losing to 2 scrubs is bad. You're supposed to beat the scrubs,not get KO'd by them.

 

It wouldve been better for Superman to lose to Kryptonian invaders!!! Losing to human Lex Luthor is much much worse(ignoring the fact Superman avenged this mistake by turning the Earth backwards) Superman is not a top 5 ATG because he lost to a Human. Batman would KO Superman and stop General Zod as well!

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^^^Thats your logic buddy. You believe two moments of complacency, even when avenged, is worse than ducking an entire race of fighters, quitting in back2back championship fights, Getting beaten and chased off by Jimmy Young, and winning the title over a handicap with Parkinsons. Whatever dude.

 

Holmes had many better wins than old Ali. Gerry Cooney,Shavers,Norton etc

Who was chased off by Jimmy Young? Oh you mean the guy who came back and won the title at age 45? Foreman retired because he has enough money and he lost the desire. Not because he was scared of Young,you and I both know that.

And Lewis avenged the losses yes but he should never have lost to them. And we all know the circumstances under which Lewis rematched Mccall. Lewis and his camp knew Mccall was mentally unstable,in drug and alcohol rehab and under house arrest. Lewis waited for Mccall to be broke,shot and on drugs. That is why Lewis waited 3 years to rematch Oliver.
In fact,the rematch had to be re scheduled because Mccall got drunk and arrested after throwing a Christmas tree at a hotel and spitting at a police car. Mccall was in no shape to fight Lewis again and Lewis knew it. Fought him anyway as long as it made Lewis look good to uninformed fans.

 

I'm still waiting for some of this dupes saying he's only 12-15 at HW to name their 11-14 better HWs

 

TS accidentally added a 1 before the 5. It's the thought that counts though.

Ali, Louis, and Marciano are definitely ahead of him. Maybe one or two more depending on individual perception like Holmes, Frazier, Holyfield, Tyson, Foreman, Dempsey, Johnson, etc. But there's no way he's outside top 10.

So if Lewis had a glass jaw I guess that means Vitali has featherfists right?

 

First off the fact that he avoided Byrd and for that matter ALL southpaws from the novice pro level right the way through the ranks raises some questions. What are the chances of that being accidental ?

Sure the Bowe fight was bigger, but Bowe himself had been in an incredible fight with Holyfield that went all the way to a trilogy. there was big demand for that. Lewis was not as important as he thought he was.

Anyway he was still IBF champ when he fought tyson, and he next scheduled a fight with Kirk Johnson and his IBF was gone and the WBC were nto even going to sanction that fight. Of course it got cancelled and the Klit fight happened short notice, then he left.