Top 15 Heavyweights ever?

They're getting abit boring these HW lists for me lately. There's only two things for sure in it i think....Ali is number 1, Louis is number 2. Everyone else is in the ball pool

 

Wlad has achieved far more as a hw than liston.

Obviously your criteria is based on a mythical h2h ranking. Mine isn't.

You say he'd walk through 17-6 but, he didn't did he. He beat valdes, folley, machen, williams and patterson but he missed out on ingo and lost twice to ali. The truth is, he was a flash in the pan. A man tipped for greatness who never realised it as champion.

 

That's exactly how I used to see bowe also, however the last two times I watched his rematch with holyfield I had it a draw. Meaning I think bowe was only lucky to lost his titles. in my eyes he never lost his spot as number 1 until tyson ripped through the division in 96.

Bowe is someone i'd favour over liston. He is someone I thinks has a better resume than liston. He is someone I think achieved more than liston. In my eyes he is unquestionably greater.

Liston was a great contender but a **** champion. Based on achievement and resume I find no way to justify a top ten position.

Based on who beats who he could be as high as number 2. That's just not how I rank fighters.

You must understand with list making there are different criteria suited to the list maker and how they perceive the sport. Yours is no wronger than mine and mine is no wronger than sugar's who's is no wronger than anyone elses.

Boxing is a subjective sport my friend.

It's all in the game, yo, it's all in the game.

 

No liston quit on his stool against the number 1 contender.

Bowe's best win is over a borderline top ten atg hw. A heavyweight who'd school liston imo.

Well that's your opinion. I think lewis and johnson hold that acclaim. Jersey Joe has a good shout also.

 

Top four:
Rocky Marciano
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Mike Tyson

Vitali is close
he comes in at number 5

6) Walcott
7)Holmes
8Charles
9) tunney
10Ali (most overated IMO)
11Shmeling
12) Frazier


Foreman, John L. Sullivan, and Johnson round it out reason Ipic those 3 over Holyfield, Lewis, or whoever else someone will scream about is historical edge. Jack John, fist Black heavyweight champ, held title well, John L.--2of biggest fights at end of 1800's, won one (Killrain last bare knuckle title bout) and Corbett fight, first gloved tile bout. It was John L. Sullivan, not Corbett, who was at forefront of going to gloved bouts. Foreman, for winning title almost 20 years apart, and with totally different style.


Liston, Marvin Hart, and a few others are last.

 

Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Ali
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Jersey Joe Walcott
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Max Baer
Max Schmeling
Sonny Liston

 

Liston was a lot like a failed Marciano. Cleaned the division out, took the title, but couldn't finish the reign when his body was starting to leave it's prime.

 

How some people have Tyson unlisted or ranked at number 15 is beyond crazy

 

brb ranking Jeffries over the youngest heavy champ ever. 9 title defenses against solid capable opponents. Did a few years in prison was able to come out n reclaim a few belts while faded badly.

 

That would be Floyd Patterson.

 

I didn't wanna leave a comment after my speech about no list being wrong. But yeah I feel your pain mate :good

 

Brb ranking someone that couldn't hack it at the top level of heavyweight and who's level of competition isn't all that great and had a prime of less than 2 years over someone who cleaned the division out beating legends and the best available competition at the time (of those whom where white) and was considered the best heavyweight of all time when retired.

Personally I have Tyson over Jeffries, however I am not that bothered if someone has it the other way, as it certainly isn't out of the question. I'd like to see what your top 15 is like because I'm sure we could all pick holes in it.

 

Don't currently have my 15 AT Hvy list in order, but here are my names and broad assessments.

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