If RJJ Fought Benn/Dariusz Instead of Hopkins/Toney.....

if you were a LM going up to HW, wouldn't you be tempted to cherrypick Ruiz rather than Lennox?

Cant think of any lightwelterweights who didnt cherrypick LHs, or FWs who didnt cherry MWs. Give the guy a break. Get in the ring yourself with someone naturally 40+ pounds bigger than you and see if you agree, but dont expect anyone to help you pick up your teeth for you afterwards.

 

You clearly know very little about weight gain and fighting haha. Not forgetting, Rjj used steroids during this periodatsch:nut

I also know that when I cut from 204 to 174 I felt way sharper and better at that weight than my natural weight and maintained a lot of muscle mass.

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Rjj cherry picked an absolute bum, so perspective is needed, he was a paper champ with a glass jaw.

 

Only Jones wasn't 'the man' DM was. Jones had 2 belts that belonged to DM. DM was THE Light Heavyweight Champion at the time not Jones who just had a bunch of paper trinket belts.

Plenty of fighters traveled to fight. Hell Marvin hagler went over to the UK to win his Championship. Jones was not the first and won't be the last to be robbed in the Olympics. That excuse doesn't fly. Jones and Dm didn't have to fight in Germany anyway they could have fought on neutral soil.

Jones is a Glass Jawed hypejob who handpicked fights, priced himself out, and refused to fight unless you agreed to his ring and his gloves etc. he fought a bunch of useless mandatory fights on HBO that nobody cared to see. Roy also NEVER beat a undisputed, unified, or lineal champion in his whole career.

 

Of course but then dont expect anyone to take yhour HW " reign " seriously.

 

Umm. Jones was "the man", as in P4P #1 fighter in the world. DM might've been the lineal champ but Jones was clearly "the man" at the time. No ****en way should the best fighter in the world have to travel to another man's back yard, especially given what he experienced in Seoul.

As for Hagler going to the UK, he wasn't a champ yet. He was a non-commodity when he fought Minter. Jones was at the top of the sport. Two completely different circumstances.

 

explain why. with words, not a gay wank picture of yourself, please.

You can use any scientific/anatomical words you want, they wont go above my head since I'm a student doctor and can name the attachements, usage and wearage of every single muscle and bone in the human body.


cheers.

 

I said the best guy at 168! The best fighter at 168 in 1994 was James Toney at 26. Roy was an underdog and Toney was considered one of the worlds best fighters.

He picked a pillow handed fighter Ruiz? Haha! Yeah but guess what? He was a HEAVYWEIGHT! Do you think a guy that's 16 and a half stone who fights at heavyweight, and who'd just dropped Holy was feather fisted to a former 154 fighter? Ruiz didn't have a high knockout ratio against other heavies, but to Roy who was used to facing guys at at the 175 limit, he was a huge puncher. Do you think any of the guys that Roy fought could hit harder than John Ruiz?

Also he wasn't cherry picked. Roy had a verbal agreement to fight Holy, before Holy's final fight with Ruiz. If Holy had have won, Roy would have fought him. But after Ruiz won, Roy turned down the opportunity and stayed at 175 for another year. He didn't think he'd get any credit for beating Holy at that point, so in the end he turned his attentions to Ruiz, when the fight became available. But his dream fight was Tyson. Tyson was shot at that point, and I don't think that it would have been a great fight, but that was Roy's sole purpose of moving up to heavy.

Antonio Tarver was a good fighter. Do you think he was slow?

Roy was exposed by Johnson at nearly 36 three months after Tarver had knocked him out. What's your point? Do you think Glen would have beaten Roy, before Roy went to heavy? No chance!

Benn and G Man certainly could have flattened him. But would they have got the chance? I don't think so! You're only looking at things from the perspective of, If Glen could knock him out, then so could they. Which is true, but Roy wasn't at his best when he fought Glen. Toney had the power to knock Roy out. So did Griffin, and of course Ruiz certainly had the power too, if he'd have landed clean.

But Benn struggled with boxers. Micheal Watson knocked him out, and so did Eubank. Neither of them were as good as Roy. If is the biggest word in the dictionary. IF Benn and Gerald could have landed flush, then it would have been goodnight. But I think Roy was too fast for them.

Benn lost to Eubank, Watson, Malinga and Collins, but he could have knocked out Roy at 25/26 in 6 rounds?

Why would Benn and Eubanks's war have worried Roy in his mid 20's? He'd embarrassed Toney, so I don't think he'd have been worried about Eubank.

I think you're a joker! He unified the 175 division and beat some good/great fighters, and was considered the best fighter in the world for 9 years, but all he did was cherry pick?

Try again!

 

Things are never that simple though are they? There's lots of polotics in boxing. It's not as simple as saying he should have fought such and such. Half of the fighters that he supposedly missed weren't viable for a number of reasons.

 

Oh right! And are you a pro boxer? Who gives a **** if you cut weight and felt sharper?

How long did it take you to get from those two weights?

Did you do it in a 7 month period? At 35? After fighting a Top ten Ranked Heavy who outweighed you by over 20 pounds on the night, and around 35 naturally? Whilst also preparing to fight one of the best guys at 175? Ha!

Great photo mate, I'm sure we all really want to see that!

 

Actually, Hopkins was not seen as a big fight at the time. Benn, and especially Dariusz, would have been bigger W's at the time than Hopkins.

 

We're going to need more photos of you all jacked up bro, not convinced just yet. :yep

Welcome back mate. :good

 

no way was Jones P4P #1 with the line of guys he was fighting at the time. There is no such thing as a P4P champion anyway it is mythical. It doesn't exist.

 

This is a fair point. That Hopkins was just looking for quick paydays so he doesn't have to do any criminal activities.

1. Toney
2. DM
3. Benn
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4. Hopkins

But at the same time, I would favour prime Hopkins to beat Benn (MW), DM (LHW), and Toney (MW).

 

Dariusz? **** that ****, that clown would not leave europe to fight roy, FACT!!!! that **** ain't on Roy, not to mention Roy shits all over this overrated clown.

Benns weak chin would leave him on the ground convulsing vs RJJ as there's no way he can outbox Roy and he'd be forced to try to exchange with the much faster, slicker, harder punching man and we know what happens when you try to trade fire with much greater fire....especially when you have a weak chin like Benn

 

Hopkins was not a great name at the time... It isn't until you take into account what Hopkins did after Roy beat him, and realize that that was a very good win. More impressive than DM or Benn would have been.