Has Carl Froch surpassed Ricky Hatton....

This.

 

I'm saying Floyd is very good but his resume is terrible considering.

@biglemon Are you saying Weaver, Witherspoon, Dokes, Page etc etc were ****?

 

Also it's not about if you don't agree with me. It's if you change your criteria as you go along or come out with outlandish reasoning.

Such as 'Paulie was his best win'.

 

No but the point I'm trying to get across is that just because we disagree on the matter, you then say things like do you think Mayweather is the greatest, which to me is you insuating that Im some moron from the general and so I used those typical ridiculous statements you see over there. No I dont think Witherspoon and the likes were ****.

 

I just want to see whether your criteria holds up across the board.

Forgive me but I was gone for a month or so. As far as I knew you were a troll, have never come across you before this thread so thought you were like Phill Mitchell and Earl-Hickey just taking the ****. If that's not the case, I apologise.

 

Oh a test I see!

 

Only for myself to see whether it's worth being serious or not.

Anyway Rampant, you're a homophobe so shut your ****ing mouth.

 

:huh your such a knob. When has Froch ever ducked anyone or taken an easy fight? Even coming of a loss he doesn't take easy fights and he's never ducked anyone or used any excuse for avoiding the harder fight.

Ricky Hatton ducked the **** out of Junior Witter for 8 years. 8 YEARS. And when he lost to Floyd, rather than come back to England and fight Junior Witter for the WBC belt (despite being offered a 100% cut) he fought Juan lazcano instead (because Witter 'didnt bring anything to the table and didn't deserve a payday'

People saying he 'ruled' the division... He use to walk round with the IBO belt for **** sake :rofl

 

:huh really? Not Froch's fault he came around when the division was the best it's been in years. He still fought and continues to fight EVERYONE there is.

Hatton only became the number1 in his division after the big names Floyd, Cotto, Judah all moved up. So don't give me that ****. He didn't fight Witter when HE was champ, he didn't stick around for Bradley when HE was champ, he never fought Torres or Holt, or Bailey. Instead he fought Urango (terrible fight almost unwatchable and Ricky didnt impress) Castillo lol: Ancient) and Mallignaggi oh and wait...Luiz Collazo got screwed out of a decision!

So Ricktards...ALL Uv got to base a 'legendary' career on is Tszyu (and we have already put that into context) and two KO losses for which amazingly his fans use as a credit to his careeratsch

Do if your saying for one second that he's done more than Froch then your just a pissed up fat Man City fan. :hi:

 

Hatton would have executed Torres, Holt or Bailey.

Come on now.

I'm not wanting to sound like a Floyd fan ''Floyd doesn't have to fight X, Y & Z because he'd beat them anyway'' - but let's be honest, they're mismatches.

 

I haven't said 'legendary' or 'ruled'.

Urango who went on to beat Ngoudjo and Bailey.

Torres and Holt would've just been fun fights. And I'm a massive Holt fan. But Ricky's chin was serviceable and he was a better all-round operator than all of these shaky chinned and inconsistent bangers.

I think he ducked Witter as well. That's a blight on his career. As I said earlier, all I'm disputing is that Froch is 'miles ahead' of Hatton.

 

And I don't think Ricky's losses do anything for him either. Froch Has a better chin than him and faced lesser punchers and lesser fighters in defeat. So I consider those losses just as crushing when assessing Froch when I do with Ricky's losses, if we're putting them into context.

By the way, Carl Froch is my favourite active fighter. I have way more pride in him than I do with Hatton, and I like Carl much more all round. I love awkward beastly fighters and Carl Froch is just that.

 

I'm not sure what that has to do with measuring achievement, but Froch couldn't duck anyone. He may be a warrior and a fierce competitor, but he took all those tough fights because he had nowhere else to go. The Super Six entry came as a direct result of being unable to get arrested on Sky at the time.

Ducked the ****? Witter, at the time, was most famous for running away from Zab Judah all night. Witter wasn't worth anything to Hatton, especially considering Ricky didn't like him. Why, in his comeback fight, would he fight a notoriously awkward spoiler?

Yes, he could have fought Witter, but by the time that fight was possible (when Jr had a belt), Ricky had MUCH bigger fish to fry. Mayweather, Malignaggi, and Pacquiao were all significantly better challenges.

That 100% thing was just hype - Witter knew he wouldn't get the fight.

He was the accepted, lineal champion after beating Tyszu. That was the point he ruled the division - from the win over Tyszu until the loss against Manny.

 

This is so remarkably ignorant I can't believe you're a British fight fan. Tyszu was THE MAN at 140. Not Floyd, Cotto or Judah - and you do know Tyszu flattened Judah, yes?

Floyd beat Gatti at 140 the same month Ricky beat Tyszu. Then he moved up rather than win the lineal title. Cotto had beaten Abdullaev around that time, then got a scare against Torres and was looking very weight-drained. He showed no great interest in Hatton, then ****ed off to 147 in 2006. Hatton fought Collazo at this point because he recognised the money fighters had gone to 147, but he wasn't massively successful (although that was no robbery and Luis was a damn good fighter then) and went back down.

Judah had run up to 147 by then, and had been no one's idea of the best at 140 since Kostya stretched him. He was busy losing to Cory Spinks too.

Anyway, the point is that Tyszu was the best, most proven guy out there. No one was picking Ricky in any great numbers. Sure, the Russian was a bit inactive, but had taken out the consensus number 2, Sharmba Mitchell, in three rounds in devastating fashion only six or so months before.

he looked pretty good for most of the fight against Hatton too.

You're arguing to support an agenda, not through any real informed opinion.