What are your acceptable terms for a catchweight

Be in a fight with PAC freddy and bob

 

Cw's are only okay if Pac doesn't do them.

 

I agree and this is how it should always be.

 

True, but a champ asking a challenger (even a legit one) for a cw is much worse on principle than a smaller guy asking for one moving up. You're saying you can't compete on equal terms for your own belt. I can't think of another instance. I understand there's extenuating circumstance, but it sullies Cotto's campaign at 154 that was not much better than the Canelo show to begin with. You know he was looking to fight wbo interim mw champ at 156?

I'm gonna quit here. Contra the appearances, I like and respect Cotto plenty. Double standards, not so much.

 

Rules for a cw fight.

1. Only in cases where fighters are 2 or more weightclasses apart.
2. NON TITLE FIGHTS ONLY.

Everything else is bull****. If a fighter wants a belt it should be within the weight limits of that class. No real boxing fan should be opposed to this. Because having it any other way devalues the belts further than they already have been.

 

Just so we nail down the definitions, if a welter fights a middle at 154, is that a catchweight? Would that be "better" than fighting the same guy at 157 for his belt?

 

Thank you bro. You highlighted the very reason why cw are ridiculous in the first place.

Techniqually it's not, because it would be in the jr mw class. But that begs the question: why would a fighter just skip over an entire class in the first place? The fact that this could possibly be justified as a money fight just highlights part of what's wrong with this era of boxing. A better course of action would be to fight the lineal champion at 154 AND THEN take on the lineal champ at 160.

And to answer your second question, no. If he wants the mw belt he needs to come to 155 to 160 and take it. If he doesn't, that belt doesn't mean anything.

EDIT: I say they are ridiculous because the very reason we have jr and super classes is to avoid cw fights. And following most of the people who responded to this thread, cw fights should be all but non-existent. But they're aren't.

 

If your main concern is draining the opponent, then 154 is worse. If you care about the integrity of belts (lol), then 157 or even 159 is worse. Either way you need to stay consistent. Not you, these other posters that'll use whatever definitions are convenient to bash one fighter, but when a guy they like does the same or worse, it's crickets from them.

 

No, there is no draining. Fighting the jr mw middle weight champ at 154 and then the mw champ at 160. Maybe I should've been clearer about that. I don't compromise the with these standards. The integrity of the belts is more important than any one fighter.

 

If you are fighting at a cathweight no belts should be able to be won since you aren't competing in that weight division simple as that.

It's black and white, if you can't make weight then don't fight a guy weighing 10 pounds less or 10 pounds more. Clean up your division become the undisputed champ THEN look for another challange.

 

Gotcha. I don't see much wrong with that, except that the belts are already corrupt beyond fixing. Hard to get too worked up about those.

For example, it's easy enough to get a vacant belt one division up against a patsy, often a smaller guy, at the full weight limit. I don't see how this is better than going for the legit champ at a cw. Of course, sometimes they come together (Mares Morel at 120, Canelo Matt Hatton at 150 etc), no doubt about those.

 

Catchweights are a joke.

Dawson will get massive props if he can knock Ward off,
whereas Ward rightfully won't get many props.

If Ward dared to be great - instead of safe - he would've jumped up and fought
Dawson at Chads weight.
Now if Ward wins, it means **** legacy wise, he may aswell not even take the fight.

But then, fighters obviously dont fight for legacy.