One (major) thing that Pacquiao undoubtedly has over Mayweather in an ATG discussion

Oh yes, Ray Robinson. Who fought in an era when Rematches and triologies were planned out before they even got into the ring the first time and before the results could be read. But that has great relevance on today's boxing.

 

This thread has been ruined by ******s.

 

I give you 130 and 135, which is why I didn't highlight those two fighters.

140? Tzyu, Hatton and Mitchell were still better than Gatti and Bruseles- Gatti was not a prime ELITE fighter, so please GTFO with that one.

147- Prime Cotto, Mosley earlier, Paul Williams, Manny Pacquiao are better than Judah, Hatton and Baldomir.

Oscar was not prime at 154 in 2006/07. His prime ended after the Mosley bout.

 

Same ****, different day.

Anyone not the usual dumb ***** knows that PAC accomplished more and faced better opponents.

 

I understand that, but you cant plan out a Mayweather trilogy when the other fighters gets blownout. It has to be either a close fight or something unfortunate happens that make people want to see another fight

 

I rank the Corrales win over the Castillo win"s".

 

:rofl:good

 

Rematch clause has nothing to do with fights getting rematches in the Robinson Era. A man could have gotten his snot knocked all over himself for 12 rounds Gatti-Mayweather style then KTFO'd Eddie Chambers-Wladimir Klitschko style in the closing seconds and they would still have the rematch a month later. Today, nobody with half a brain would pay to see a rematch and no commission would sanction it a month latter. And don't get me started on the sheer amount of fight fixing that occurred back then.

 

So these where all prime elite fighters when Floyd face them.:rofl:rofl

Go watch Golf,Sailing or Curling cause this Boxing **** isnt for you.

 

Pac hasn't been as dominant as Floyd which makes up for the Mexican trio he fought. He's been outboxed way too many times during his prime: Morales and JMM(3x)

 

Ok then thats a bunch of BS but anyway.

I'll give you another example.

Evander Holyfield.

Now you're going to tell me that most of Holy's career happened in the last century and act like hes an old timer compared to these modern greats who talk **** and have my dick is bigger than yours battles on twitter:fight modern greats who post pics of themselves taking a dump on social media and all that gay **** that dudes like you adore.

 

there is a reason why i asked who was better. Prime means jack ****, if you've seen Bernard Hopkins career he isn't close to prime but he's still substainally better than 95% of the Light Heavyweight Division. Judah just beat a prime Vernon Paris, doesn't mean ****. Prime doesn't mean crap. Its about who's the best in the division, not who's prime.

Tszyu was Showtime. Mayweather was HBO. The only fight that Showtime and HBO collaborated on was Lewis-Holyfield which was the Largest fight in history prior to Mayweather-De La Hoya. Also Tszyu came back in late 2004 against Mitchell won the IBF then fought Ricky Hatton in a bigger money fight in Manchester 3 weeks before Mayweather-Gatti. So what time was Mayweather supposed to fight him, you know after overcoming the Showtime-HBO ****.

As for Hatton, he was ringside for that fight, had press credentials and everything, and he said nothing about Mayweather after that fight. Cotto was also ringside and sat there like a lump on a log because he knew Mayweather would beat the tar out of him.

As for Mitchell, you mean Sharmba, the guy Mayweather knocked out immediately after the Gatti fight?

So Mosley was not the best 147 pound fighter when they fought. And Earlier Mosley wanted nothing to do with Mayweather since their days at 130 and 135 respectively. He was jockeying for a third Dela Hoya fight:
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As for Paul Williams sure, he was. He didn't come on until Mid-2007 when he beat Margarito, Mayweather had announced his retirement prior to that by 2 months and the only reason he fought Hatton was because Hatton finally found his voice after bombing out Castillo. But even if he was nobody wanted to fight him, the Margarito fight was a mandatory for Margarito's belt.

Fine he wasn't prime, name a better fighter at that weight class that didn't have Bob Arum signing his checks during that time period.