Top 30 fighters P4P from 1980-present

Toney won the first fight.

 

Pretty sure I had it either a draw...or 114-113 Toney :hey

But no, can't find scorecards for first two (only fights that really 'matter' in the series IMO) so will have to rematch and rescore but can remember them being evenly matched in both. Pretty sure McCallum came in with the right gameplan for Toney second time round...but I'm runnin' on fumes, which is inexcusable I know. For that I'm sorry.

 

Cannot see in any way shape or form how Floyd is 'undoubtedly the more skilled fighter'!

 

hmmm I had the first to Mike and the second to Toney tbh. The first I'm defintiely happy with, was the second really that controversial?

it's ages since I watched it but if it's worth watching again I'll do so.

 

Also, the likes of Bruseles were absolute shite. Ranked or not, not a notable win in any way, shape or form IMO.

 

you know me flea, I'm easily swayed by aesthetics and flash :hey

 

well they're notable because they're ranked. the value of the win is in the eye of the beholder. I think it's **** as well, noted purely because of the ranking.

 

I'm not that stupid :bart So explain yourself :deal

 

Cool. I had a big row with the guy that used to run sweetboxing once. He maintained that simply because Floyd had beaten more ranked opponents than Marciano he was greater than him, regardless of how poor the opponent was.

But that's another debate.

 

Good list Flea. I would have Floyd over DLH personally, but it´s good.....both are very comparable IMO...
I like where you rate Chavez, recently I started to like Chavez a lot more.

 

Floyd at SFW is not far from perfection as fighter. Hard to tag, big enough to bully, lightning quick hands and feet, power in either hand and and an amazing variety of punches. He could pretty much do anything you asked of him.

the first fight with JLC was very close but his adpation in the second proved his class and he beat him pretty easily. The way he's carried his skill through the weights is a true sign of greatness imo even skipping his abomination at LWW, his domination of hatton and his victories against hoya and cotto are proof of his skill level even as high as LMW.

Mike is very good at what he does, Floyd is very good at everything.

 

:scaredas::yikes you gotta be shitting me!

I'm not purely a numbers guy, I was when I first started getting into boxing but I'm much more flexible now. I list victories over "name" opponents just because they're easier to scan through than the full resume. It's really that simple, just cos it's easier looking at say 10 names than say 50 :good

 

I just can't see what Toney did to win the majority of rounds in the rematch. In the first he landed some beautiful counter rights, rocked Mike several times and hurt him bad in the 12th, and it was really a toss up between what you prefer between them and Mike's more consistent work behind his jab IMO.

In the rematch those counters were mostly missing, probably because McCallum had worked out how to avoid them better, so I just can't see what was supposed to win the fight for Toney.

 

I actually think the De La Hoya fight showed up Floyd's apparently infallible skillset. Don't rate that version of Oscar at all either. Still, a more meaningful win than Pac's over Oscar and despite Oscar winning a few rounds off workrate, Hopkins being a light heavy cutting down against what was essentially an out of shape Oscar means I'd probably say Floyds win was better than Hopkins as well. De La Hoya beat Mayorga in his comeback fight before Floyd. Oscar looked less than convincing against Sturm before B-Hop.

Still, not all that a win for Floyd IMO.

 

What wasn't Mike good at? Skillwise, he was as complete fighter as I've seen more or less. His footwork was picture perfect. Perhaps the only fighter I can say that about.

Also, I can't for the life of me seeing McCallum at 154 lose to a fighter like Castillo. Even though his feet wasn't nearly as fast as Floyd's I just can't see him getting pinned against the ropes like that.