Were Dempsey's hands loaded in the Willard fight

I like that term,dirigible ,I'l steal it later.
Willard had a top chin ,I doubt many could better Jack's performance.

 

I agree on both counts. Jack is undoubtedly a great heavyweight. There's just greater out there.

p4p Tunney is one of the best to ever lace them up and is leagues above Jack imo.

 

tyson would have finished him in round 1 given the same ruleset.

 

There is absolutely nothing that he did in the real world to suport this.

The only argument you can make is based on the fact that Dempsey did it.

 

I have a lot more respect for Willard than most around here... just not the old, inactive, overconfident version that showed up in Toledo. Especially when Dempsey had a well-deserved reputation for tearing apart big, stationary opponents.

That said, Dempsey gets credit for the destroying the guy... and the plaster of paris thing is just as ridiculous as is the railroad spike or whatever else he supposedly had aiding him.

 

Have you called him an pig farm with no skill? Or am I quoting you on the wrong figther pre 1930?

 

Luf, Mike Tyson was a great puncher, no doubt...So you post that Tyson would finish Jess Willard in one round as Dempsey did ? Willard was 37 years old but he started fighting at the late age of 27 years old and had a total of THIRTY SEVEN bouts when he met Dempsey...Thirty SEVEN fights
Willard had without ever being floored...He was noted for a cast iron chin
and it showed when Jack Johnson hit big Jess with EVERYTHING he had for
TWENTY FIVE ROUNDS in the 100% degree Havana sun,and Willard took
whatever Johnson dished out, knowing that he Johnson had very little reserve left in the tank...And as we know Willard flattened Johnson with a straight right hand cross...So L, Mike Tyson at his best allowed Tony Tucker 12 rds for a decision, Bonecrusher Smith 12 rds for a decision and took
10 rds to ko a journeyman fighter Jose Rebalta, but a noted granite chinned Willard goes out in 1 rd. ? I think not...Let me remind you that 4 years later the 42 year old Willard in a comeback attempt kod a pretty good heavyweight those days named Floyd Johnson who won 30 of 39 bouts...
What ruleset ? Dempsey and Willard fought by the same rules in 1919. Yes Dempsey hovered over Willard, but even if he didn't Dempsey would have won in the 1st round after a few knockdowns not SEVEN that the brave ref Ollie Pecord allowed....And remember that prior to the Willard fight Dempsey had about 20 or so first round kos...Give the guy his due L. He was one tough mean S.O.B.when he first hooked up with Jack Kearns...
And Mike Tyson was a helluva puncher, but didn't have the inner fortitude that Jack Dempsey had...

 

I credit Jack as a great, always have done.

I'm saying if Mike was allowed to stand over someone as they rose, he'd kill everyone he ever fought.

 

Holyfield would have still won.

And if Dempsey was allowed to stand over everyone he fought luf he would have regained the title. No long count.

 

until that fight, Dempsey was.

 

Little Red, you just gave the greatest rebbutal Iv'e read on ESB...If Dempsey was allowed to hover over Tunney as the old rules applied during the Willard fight, Dempsey would have become champ again in 1927...:good:good:good
A fighter could only fight according to the rules of his times...No more, no less...
P.S. You don't hear one PEEP over the fact that in the second Tunney Dempsey fight,after the long count in the seventh round where the ref
didn't start the ONE count until the bewildered Dempsey had to walk to a neutral corner, giving Tunney about 15-17 seconds to clear his head, but in the 10th rd when tunney caught Dempsey with a powerful right hand, the referee Dave Barry started the count of ONE immediately, while Tunney was hovering over the fallen Dempsey ? Why the blatant double standard?
Even in death Dempsey can't get a break with some of his ESB detractors...