If Jeffries Fought Rocky 3 times 15rds ,Would He Win 1,2,3? "

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If the powerful Boilermaker fought Rocky Marciano 3 times over 15rds , modern gloves , would they split the trilogy? Or, would one or the other win all 3? I think Jeffries takes one fight at least.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    No.

    Jeffries only realistic advantage over latter day HW's is his stamina. Here he is up against the (imo) best conditioned HW in history.

    Peak Jeffries is no more proven than the Louis that Rocky beat to become number 1 contender. The way Rocky broke him down and battered him is what I see happening here.

    Rocky 3-0-0 vs Jeffries.
     
  3. McGrain

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    I think Jeffries would get out-worked.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    this seems like the easy answer with a lot of pre 20's v post 20's fighters.
     
  5. HOUDINI

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    Jeffries wins all three. Jeff a far greater fighter than the Rock.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Jeffries has the a big edge in the entire tale of the tape here, in addition to having better speed defense, footwork, brute strength, and likely chin.

    The best two punchers Rocky fought ( Walcott and Moore ) floored him, and others light hitters such as Lowry stunned Marcaino. So Marcaino's chin really wasn't tested by big time punchers at heavyweight. Jeffries beat some who resemble Marciano, but Marciano never beat anyone who remotely resembled Jeffries.

    No historian I can think of who saw them both felt Rocky was greater. I do think this would be a good fight, but in the end Jeffries takes it.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    Who out worked Jeffries in his prime?
     
  8. McGrain

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    Meaningless question.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    on what do you base the following claims:

    Jeffries having better speed
    Jeffries having better defence
    Jeffries having better footwork
    Jeffries beating some who resemble Marciano.
     
  10. MadcapMaxie

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    Rocky wins all 3 by KO

    Too strong, too much stamina, too much workrate, too much skill and Jeffries doesn't have enough defense and no how to beat Rocky. Only way to beat Rocky in Jeffs case would be to completely overpower him and knock him out early, since it took Jeff 8 rounds to finish off a light heavy who was 38(?) who never had a good chin and a super middle who was knocked out by a welter I bet he doesn't knock Rocky out...or even down.
     
  11. MadcapMaxie

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    In a time when people were MUCH more active and much more skilled who outworked Rocky?
     
  12. MadcapMaxie

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    What a complete load of wank you spew.

    Better speed? have you seen footage of the man or do you just get all your knowledge from news reports written in his day?

    Better defense? Jeffries never ducked, slipped, weaved, bobbed, countered or anythign that could remotely be called defense. Ancient Fitz turned his face to mush, Corbett also bloodied his face and broke his nose perhaps the weakest of all heavyweight champs. He would lumber forward hands by waist and catch every punch with his face.

    Footwork? Irrelevant as it would not be a deciding factor in this fight. Jeff aint gonna go on his toes and start workign a jab.

    Brute strength and chin? Based on his ability to push and shove old middleweights and light heavies? When he met a good fighter his own size he got made **** and couldn't do anything with his abundance of brute strength infact he got knocked down and stopped by a fighter never cited as a puncher. Primo Carnera was a true man mountain with alot of physical strength which accounted for nothing when he got into the ring.

    Walcott and Moore are BETTER punchers than anybody Jeff faced by a country mile, both times he was KD were counters somethign Jeff with his archaic skill set could never replicate. I'd wager they also hit harder than old Fitz and middleweight Choynski.

    Nobody 'resembles' Rocky, Tom Sharkey does not resemble Rocky don't say he does.

    The opinion of historians is very biased towards the earlier fighters to say the least. How many of these historians would favour Ali over Dempsey?
     
  13. mcvey

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    Which historians do you know who saw both Jeffries ,and Marciano in the ring?
    I highly doubt Jeffries had better defence than Marciano.
    Jeffries was badly cut and, marked up in many fights and had his nose broken 3 times.

    The best two punchers Jeffries fought weighed 165lbs, and 172lbs.

    I also give Marciano a clear edge in power.

    I do give Jeffries the edge in chin though.

    I believe Jeffries gets at least one of a a trilogy, because, though he stated he found Sharkey very hard to handle ,because, "he was all over you", Marciano ,though incessant in his attack was a fairly one paced fighter, which should suit Jeffries M.O.
    I rate Marciano above Frazier, but Joe may do better against Jeffries simply because he was quicker than Rocky, and would not give Jeffries the chance to set himself.
     
  14. FastHands(beeb)

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    I think the Rock wins all 3, the first being the hardest and probably going the distance, Marciano winning the next 2 by increasing straighforward stoppages. Nobody was the same after a helping of The Rock.
     
  15. mcvey

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    He certainly ruined a few fighters.
    I give Moore great credit for the results he achieved at his advanced age ,after going through the mangle with Rocky.