The current Wladimir Klitschko would destroy any version of Corrie Sanders

I think today's Vlad would beat any version of Sanders 90% of the time. Sanders was an always-dangerous guy though, which I think maybe 10% of the time, he catches Vlad and stops him.

My impression was that Vlad was shattered after this fight and maybe not ready for Sanders. It's a blessing that they didn't fight right away, because the Vlad that lost to Brewster or struggled with Williamson might have shown up and lost again. Vitali removed the threat, like the best anti-virus program a fighter could have.

 

Mago is demolishing better guys than Wilder has, serious badass.

 

From a styles point of view Sanders had enough to worry any version of Wlad, but I'd certainly not make him the favourite against the mature Wlad. He had one of those styles that was perfect for upsetting a better fighter but prone to losing to someone way beneath that level

 

Current Wlad would wipe the floor with Sanders.

 

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The Wlad in this fight 2003 can not compare with the Wlad today. He did not uses his feet, not the distance, the jab nothing.

He wants to throw the left hook (much slower than today) and was countered by Sanders.

This version was the product of Sdunek-style. Many fighters struggeld with this style standing right infront of the opponent. Watch Dimintrenko against Chambers and who see the same. Not using the distance and the jab to keep the opponent off.

Wlad does not know how to clinch to avoid more punches. Today he knows how to react if getting hit. Emanuel Steward teaches Wlad alot. Wlad learned from the mistakes. Today Wlad would destroy any version of Sanders.

 

Good Post Jisi. Ya. Current Wladimir will easily UD Sanders 12-0

or maybe even KO.

That being said, I think if Wladimir had rematch Sanders right after his loss in 2003? He would have lost again. That is my opinion. I think at that time before Manny Steward, Wlad would have been in big trouble against a number of punchers. Wladimir today is amazing though and top 5-7 H2H to me.


I feel Wladimir will finish as a top 10 ATG HW. But in 2003 it was just too dangerous to fight Sanders again.

 

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I see it the same way. In 2003 with Sdunek Wlad would have lost again. Because to rematch a guy who have to analyze what was the mistake. The mistake against Sanders was not that Wlad fought back after getting hit. Wlad did not know to clinch to avoid punches, he only helts his hands for his face (like Dimitrenko against Chambers) and let Sanders punch.

Sanders did not force Wlad to fight like Sdunek said and makes pressure. He walks along the ropes and he was waiting for Wlad´s mistake. I Wlad makes a big mistake you never attack a southpaw witht the left hook. Wlad uses the left hook and Sanders countered him with a hard punch. Than Sanders stood on Wlad´s foot and headbutted him.

And than look at the corner work. I never saw such unprofessional work. Not cutman in the corner, no water for Wlad, no instructions nothing. This was so unprofessional. And a trainer have to work on such things. Not only talk about the boxer he should talk about his own mistakes too.

Sanders discribed the fight "it was like a lion chasing a gazelle" and Sanders was absolut right. Wladimir was so helpless. It was clear after round 1 that Sanders would come out strong but what did Wlad instead of clinching he stould just infront on Sanders waiting for the next punch. And this was the result of training with Fritz Sdunek nothing else so i never will understand why Vitali is working with this coach, he ruins his brother badly.

For his fight against Sanders Vitali works with Emanuel Steward too and he uses some elements from Steward. But Vitali split with Steward maybe Steward is too criticle for Vitali and Steward tells it like it is.

But it was difficult for Wlad to work with Emanuel. Much more difficult than for Lewis because of Vitali. After Wladimir lost to Brewster Vitali wants Wlad to split with Emanuel. But in 2004 Wlad becomes adult and said "no" to his brother and "yes" to Steward. But in every fight he fights against his brother and the opponent.


With Steward Wladimir becomes a real professional fighter. I remember 2004 when Steward said "Wlad is fighting like a baby". And Steward was right. Wlad doesn´t know "tricks" of professional boxing. Today he knows alot of them and he knows how to react. And today´s Wlad find his "own" style with the help of Emanuel. In fights before it seems to be Wlad wants to copy Lewis but from fight to fight Wladimir becomes more "himself". He feels very comfortable today in the ring. But without Steward Wladimir would never be on the top again.

 

Everybody here is going on about how Wladimir has improved so much since 2003. That may well be true, but lets keep in mind that Sanders was pretty much a spent force in 2003, compared to how I remember him before that. He came into the fight overweight and definitely not looking as fast or as trim as his earlier versions. Let's also not forget that he took the fight against Klitschko at short notice. What I am saying is: the Corrie Sanders that faced Klitscko in 2003 is not the 'best' version.

As a South African boxing fan, I followed Sanders' career for many years, and it became apparent to me that his slide had started as early as 1997 against Ross Puritty. He struggled in that fight and I was surprised because frankly I expected Sanders to put him to sleep early on.

I'd also like to add that this debate is heavily skewed by the blind adulation for Wald or the blind hatred of Wlad. This leads to people adopting extreme positions that are not close to the truth.

As a result it seems to me that a lot of people don't want to face the fact that Corrie Sanders was a skilled heavyweight with very fast hands and sufficient power to level pretty much anybody he faced. There is no shame in losing to somebody like that. Sometimes the stylistic matchup is just terrible for an otherwise brilliant fighter such as Wlad, and sometimes you just get caught.

My biggest regret is that Sanders never got the chance to shine when he was at his best, and that he didn't spend more time in the gym and on the road instead of the golf course. I truly believe that he had the potential to be mentioned amongst the very best heavyweights of his era.

 

If you look how Wlad moves in this fight, how he does not use his height, his skinny legs and so on you objektive see that this Wlad cannot compare to the Wlad of today. Wlad stood right in front of Sanders, today Wlad does not do this. Wlad is a different fighter with Steward in his corner.

Who does not see this does not know much about boxing.

 

@jisi

My point is that both sides of the debate are adopting extreme stances. It makes it hard to be objective. I think 2003 Wlad simply had a bad night out against a criminally underrated fighter in Corrie Sanders.

Sure, Wlad has improved, I don't think anybody denies that. But it likewise can't be denied that Sanders was on the tail-end of his career in 2003.

I don't really understand the hate that the Klitschkos seem to generate. The simple counter-argument to the "Wlad sucks" theme is to point out how he regrouped after losing and the record he has amassed since then.

As to whether he would romp through the ATG's or not, that is baseless speculation that people take too seriously. Possibly he suffers from the "Rocky Marciano" syndrome in that he is a good champion in a weak era. But, that is not his fault.

 

The Sanders from 2003 would KO current Waldi like he did in 2003. Maybe 2 or 3 Rounds later.

Sanders is a bad matchup for Waldi. Not much smaller, superb Handspeed with a terrific left straight, good Chin and no fear to get hit.

Sanders is Pandoras Box for Waldi.

 

YOU are one hypocritical ass hole aint you?

You bash Lewis non -stop then have the ****ing GALL to talk **** about General section calling US haters and delusional nut huggers? atsch

Because bashing an ATG HW like Lennox Lewis really shows your supreme boxing knowledge right? It really shows your 'lack of bias' and love of the sport right?

atsch Now because some people bash Wlad, you become all offended and shyt, panties all up in a bunch, dick all tighted up, and started sounding like a hurt boxing guru who just for the life of him can not understand why oh why people talk **** about boxers, and won't just analyze boxers in a logical and intelligent manner.

 

Wlad has not only a bad night in 2003. Sdunek change Wlad´s style and make him a "stand boxer" who was easy to hit. And for this fight Wladimir was complete wrong prepared and than the corner work atsch

But IMO the only man who understand what happend was Wladimir himself. He kows he had to change his style, learn to be prepared when he get hit and so on.

He changes his coach and he take Emanuel Steward, the trainer who was in Lewis corner!!!!!! Wladimir knows the stuff and he was willing to learn things which are necessary to become a great Champion.

With Steward in his corner Wladimir would beat any version of Sanders.

Sanders was a dangerous southpaw but only for 2 or 3 rounds. And Wlad knows today how to fight patient behind the jab.

Boxing is more than beeing strong.

 

jisi "With Steward in his corner Wladimir would beat any version of Sanders."

My friend, you should be in the betting game, since you can see events so clearly.

You certainly seem to have a lot of confidence for somebody who's fighter got knocked down four times by a version of Sanders that was 37 years old, took the fight on short notice and who's blubber rippled everytime he drilled Wlad to the face. Sanders had fought three rounds of pro boxing in the prior three years, let me remind you.

Let's just say that prime Sanders was a lot faster and had a much better gas tank than the version that faced Klitschko in 2003. You're welcome to go back and look at Corrie's old fighting clips, they are very entertaining.

The only way to know for sure would be to see the matchup of "prime" versions for real. Then we would know whether Klitschko's "improved skills" would be able to deal with the greater speed and gas tank of a prime Sanders. Obviously that is impossible.

jisi "Boxing is more than beeing strong."

Ahem:

Klitschko: 6' 6½", 242 LB
Sanders: 6'4", 225LB

Clearly, you are correct!