If Jeffries Fought Rocky 3 times 15rds ,Would He Win 1,2,3? "

This would be a valid argument (although not conclusive) if Jeffries was a puncher but there is nothing to indicate Jeffries was a puncher and Johnson literally laughed at his punches

 

Based on what exactly? Jeffries was a great athlete but fought like a pillar of stone. Better speed defense. Lowry stunned Marciano? I know of some newspaper reports claiming Marciano might have been hurt but the extent of his being hurt is rather dubious. Marciano never really appeared seriously hurt on film. The most hurt he looked was when he was caught by Moore, but he seemed to clear his head fine.

How exactly was Jeffries a big puncher? A heavy-handed and strong as an ox guy with loads of stamina? Sure, but a better puncher than Walcott or even old Louis? I'm hardly convinced. The idea that Jeffries was some fierce puncher seems greatly revisionist and or exaggerated.

The same can apply to those that saw Dempsey, Louis, and Marciano about Dempsey. But that doesn't make those historians correct.

 

I agree it isnt conclusive, just an argument.

When he actually let his hands go, his opponents were quickly finished off. Though, he did not always let his hands go as often as Foreman agaisnt the very best fighters. Usually that is because those types of opponents usually boxed and stayed away from him. When he landed clean he finished his opponents as evidenced by his stoppages of Corbett, Fitzsimmons, and Ruhlin who were top fighters and when he fought old or below first tier fighters like Goddard, Jackson, Monroe, Van Buskirk, Baker who like with similar fighters Frazier fought were always finished off quickly and decisively. Foreman i sForeman and maybe noone has every had his power. But jeffries when he lands still has that same power. With Rocky coming straight at him (like Joe did to George) you would expect James to load up on his hook and punches. It isnt certain but stylistically it is one advantage ( i am not saying he would dominate like George did, just that it is a stylistic advantage).

 

What does Jeffries mean by Sharkey being "all over." If Marciano was one paced, it was an all over overwhelming pace. Hardly see how this suits or makes Jeffries anymore comfortable than how he felt about Sharkey's aggression.

I actually think you could make an argument that despite his size Marciano could be physically the strongest fighter Jeffries faced bearing Johnson. Maybe Sharkey would hold that nomination too.

 

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Should've just said this .

 

Actually Jeffries cut Johnson, and hurt him with a body shot in round 11 where Johnson was visibly wobbled, and of course he was completely washed in 1910.


How can a man who floored all of his opponents, save his come back fight, and produced many 10 counts lack power?

 

Jeffries was not all that a puncher IMO.

Marciano would batter him. Eventually.

 

Johnson did not take Jeffries punches. He simply was not hit hard or often as Johnson was an all time great defensive fighter still near his prime while Jeffries was a shell.

Jeffries was a heavy handed fighter who suffered from hand and arm problems through much of his career ... I would rate him more like a Vitali power wise opposed to a hard/sharp puncher like a Louis or Dempsey. When he unleashed and was healthy he tended to get the job done.

A key in this match up would be punch rate ... much is made of Jeffries stamina but he seems to have fought at a marathon punch rate , pacing and selecting, opposed to a set duration bout strategy. I have no idea if he would be capable of a sixty punch per round out put over fifteen rounds ... he very well may have but we are simply in the dark on that one ... we obviously know Rocky could do it ..

Again, there is simply too little hard facts on how Jeffries legendary physical advantages actually are fact based opposed to myths built up over time ... I suspect there is some serious truth to some of it but how much and how it factors against a vetted beast like Rocky is a leap of faith to me ..

 

Jeffries won his fights because he was smart and outlasted his opponents. But I don't think anyone in history could outlast Marciano. Jeffries doesn't have the power to knock out Rocky nor does he have the skill to outbox him.

 

I favor Rocky in these three fghts, but he needs to be very careful about throwing his right hand, or Jeffries will make him pay.

I'll give Mariano a late TKO and a hustle decision; Jeffries takes a decision where he breaks a couple of Marciano's ribs.