How could one possibly say Pacquaio resume is better than Mayweather

Zopilote · Aug 23, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

You know damn well thats true, if you disagree display facts and shut me up
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Maybe you should have been around the time they were in their prime.

But then again, you probably think Corrales was better than them two. :roflatsch

sbbigmike · Aug 23, 2012

Zopilote said: ↑

Barrera and Morales >> Corrales and Castillo.

Enough said.
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:nono

Hard to say both ducked those fighters, truthfully with no trilogy Morales and more so Barrera their ATG status is extremely shaky:bart

Zopilote · Aug 23, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

:nono

Hard to say both ducked those fighters, truthfully with no trilogy Morales and more so Barrera their ATG status is extremely shaky:bart
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and what exactly did Castillo and more so Corrales do to be greater than them?

And how the **** did they duck them, when Castillo and Corrales were fighting at higher weights when Barrera and Morales were in their prime at 126lbs??

sbbigmike · Aug 23, 2012

Zopilote said: ↑

Maybe you should have been around the time they were in their prime.

But then again, you probably think Corrales was better than them two. :roflatsch
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atsch

Facts please, easier to say this fighter is betetter than the other, it's a fact that both wanted no parts of Corrales , Mayweather, Castillo or other warriors that roamed those divisions in that time

Imperial1 · Aug 23, 2012

Morales ,Barrera and JMM NUFF SAID !

Zopilote · Aug 23, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

atsch

Facts please, easier to say this fighter is betetter than the other, it's a fact that both wanted no parts of Corrales , Mayweather, Castillo or other warriors that roamed those divisions in that time
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You mean about 2 divisions north??

While were at it. why didn't those same guys try to fight Kostya Tzyu?? What a bunch of duckers! nut

bballchump11 · Aug 23, 2012

Imperial1 said: ↑

Morales ,Barrera and JMM NUFF SAID !
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He lost to two of them

sbbigmike · Aug 23, 2012

Zopilote said: ↑

and what exactly did Castillo and more so Corrales do to be greater than them?
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atsch

What was Castillo and Corrales ranking compared to Barrera and Morales, around 2000 Corrales was top 5 p4p ahead of Mayweather, and I'm the noob, and Castillo who gets **** here for getting ko'ed was a constant P4p fighter contrary to Barrera's overrated ass

I don't even know I wasting time arguing with people who don't **** about boxing

There was plenty opportunity's for Barrera and Morales to fight those names, ducking live opponents and black fighters, fight after fight

Zopilote · Aug 23, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

atsch

What was Castillo and Corrales ranking compared to Barrera and Morales, around 2000 Corrales was top 5 p4p ahead of Mayweather, and I'm the noob, and Castillo who gets **** here for getting ko'ed was a constant P4p fighter contrary to Barrera's overrated ass

I don't even know I wasting time arguing with people who don't **** about boxing
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and Barrera's "overrated" ass was p4p number 3 at the time Pacquiao fought him, you ******. What was Corrales ranking at that time?

Botth Barrera and Morales are the more acomplished and much higher skilled fighters than Corrales' overrated ass.

I know he's your hero's best win, but the way you *****s make Corrales seem as great as he never was in reality is downright embarassing. atsch

Imperial1 · Aug 23, 2012

bballchump11 said: ↑

He lost to two of them
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He also beat two of them as well !

guapo · Aug 23, 2012

HawkFan16 said: ↑

Floyd is better in a H2H sense. That's almost irrefutable.

The best wins on Mayweather's resume are probably Diego Corrales (a very impressive win he deserves credit for), and a faded DLH (close but clear 7-5, 8-4 type decision). He deserves credit for a clear win in the rematch versus Castillo too. I'd say those are his three best wins.

Pacquiao, meanwhile, killed a prime Barrera, which is the best win on either fighter's resume. He also beat Morales twice, and scored debatable wins over Marquez (if you want to say Marquez beat Pacquiao, well, you can't try and say Mayweather beat Castillo the first time either.)

As for their common opponents, the DLH Mayweather fought, while far past his best, was still substantially better than the zombie Pac fought. Edge to Mayweather. As for Mosley, while both versions of Mosley that Pac/Mayweather fought sucked and were old and basically the same, Mayweather still decided to fight him first (even if both Mayweather and Pacquiao wanted no part of him in 2009 after he smashed Margarito, both men apparently deciding it would be sound policy to wait around and hope he would get older after a year. Which he did.) So Mayweather deserves a little more credit than Pacquiao for fighting Mosley and DLH.

Hatton, meanwhile, is a bit different. Hatton was always at his best at 140, where Pacquiao annihilated him, and not nearly as good at 147, where Mayweather broke him down and stopped him late. Just considering the weight, and the fact that more people thought Pacquiao would lose than people thought Mayweather would lose, Pacquiao's win over Hatton was greater.

As for Cotto this Saturday, while Cotto was basically training himself for Pacquiao, I don't think he was as badly drained as everyone likes to claim. Many people were favoring Cotto before that fight too. The main argument you have is that his trainer sucked for that fight, which is indeed true. However, Cotto didn't suddenly become undamaged after becoming a Mayweather opponent- the beatings Margarito and then Pacquiao put on him didn't disappear. The Cotto Mayweather will face is a bigger, different fighter with a better trainer now. If Mayweather beats him impressively, he'll deserve his share of credit, but people are still favoring Mayweather strongly over Cotto, which wasn't the case with Pacquiao. A Mayweather win over Cotto would be good, but unless he kills him inside the first 8 rounds, edge to Pacquiao.

This legacy thing also boils down to the fact that Mayweather left a lot more on the table than Pacquiao did. Pacquiao has done about 90% of what he could have done in a perfect world. He could have collected a few more scalps at lightweight for sure, and maybe at Light Welterweight, but did not. Meanwhile, Mayweather has only achieved about 65-75% of what he should have been able to achieve with his talents. But he simply didn't challenge himself much at all since moving on from lightweight. He would deserve all the respect in the world if he cleaned out 140 and took out the best rather than simply pwning Gatti before moving on, or if he took on everyone in a crammed welterweight field in 2007-2009 and beat them. Instead, he "retired" during that stretch, probably under the hope the field would thin itself and there wouldn't be demand for him to face some of those guys.

Lastly, the fact Mayweather and Pacquiao have yet to fight each other is a detriment to both men. Mayweather's unsubstantiated accusations and demands for blood tests made him look bad/scared, and Pacquiao's initial lawsuit response wasn't good either (I'd be offended if I was getting slandered too, but whatever.) Both probably think the other has a decent chance of beating them (even if their respective fanbases are more confident than they are), and since they're both megastars who can make loads of money no matter who they face, they don't want to risk ending the gravy train against each other. I don't think Arum wants to risk Pacquiao against Mayweather, but Mayweather's absolute insistence on dictating every term and not seriously giving ground to help make the fight is a black mark against him.

Mayweather's legacy is that of a man who only took fights he knew he could win and failed to challenge himself. He has ATG-level skills, but he doesn't have an ATG-level resume. He'd give his resume a major boost by beating Martinez, but there's no way in hell he'll ever do that because Martinez is a fight he might lose. Pacquiao, meanwhile, isn't as technically gifted as Mayweather by any means, but he at least took on much bigger men and on many opponents people thought would beat him or had a legitimate chance of beating him.

In short: Pacquiao challenged himself more, and has the most impressive win of either man, while both have a similar number of quality wins. Pacquiao mainly has the better legacy and resume because most will acknowledge he came close to maxing out what he was capable of, while more than a few Floyd fans will acknowledge that they wish he was more active and had fought more people than he did. Floyd didn't even come close to maxing out his legacy by producing an amazing resume, and his even said publicly that his legacy is less important to him than financial gain. That's why Pacquiao, as of right now at least, has the better legacy and resume. If Mayweather were to beat Pacquiao, fight Martinez at Middleweight and win, well, then his resume would finally come close to matching what his abilities would indicate he's capable of. But until he does that, his resume and legacy would both be underwhelming in relation to his abilities.
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Excellent post!

turbotime · Aug 23, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

You know damn well thats true, if you disagree display facts and shut me up

SN: How the **** does Morales, and more so Barrera, and Marquez constantly get a pass for their history of ducking
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You're going full ****** in this thread bro. Time to take a break.

sbbigmike · Aug 23, 2012

Zopilote said: ↑

Barrera's "overrated" ass was p4p number 3 at the time Pacquiao fought him, you ******.
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Why everything gotta be about Pacquiao you ****,

Who did Barrera beat to be P4P besides the gift he got vs Morales in the 1st fight, let alone top 3........besides a shot PNH, Kevin Kelly, this was the same man who got his ass whipped by a b class fighter at best in Jr Jones

Dude a warrior but simply overrated:good

turbotime · Aug 23, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

Why everything gotta be about Pacquiao you ****,

Who did Barrera beat to be P4P besides the gift he got vs Morales in the 1st fight, let alone top 3........besides a shot PNH, Kevin Kelly, this was the same man who got his ass whipped by a b class fighter at best in Jr Jones

Dude a warrior but simply overrated:good
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Morales won the first fight atsch

bladerunner · Aug 23, 2012

sbbigmike said: ↑

Why everything gotta be about Pacquiao you ****,

Who did Barrera beat to be P4P besides the gift he got vs Morales in the 1st fight, let alone top 3........besides a shot PNH, Kevin Kelly, this was the same man who got his ass whipped by a b class fighter at best in Jr Jones

Dude a warrior but simply overrated:good
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