Ufc 151 officially cancelled

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Rob_Floyd, Aug 23, 2012.


  1. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    I can't really be bothered arguing about it, but I don't really understand those defending Jones here. Hendo and Sonnen are quite similar, except Sonnen is far less dangerous on the feet. Basically, Sonnen is a significantly easier fight for Jones, but even then it's not a particularly radical change anyway. CS and DH are about the same size, good takedowns, except Hendo has KO power and Sonnen doesn't.

    Jones was offered the choice of shutting Sonnen's mouth in brutal public fashion, whilst simultaneously respecting the fans who'd paid their money and the other fighters on the card, or cancelling the whole card for a reason not clear to anyone, simply because he could do so.

    He chose the latter. As I say, do not understand anyone defending this selfish, contrary course of action at all. Indefensible, really.
     
  2. Peter__1987

    Peter__1987 Guest

    This was a much more mature, well thought out version of what i intended to say.

    I agree with everything you said 100%

    Champions don't turn down fights, it's simple as that.
     
  3. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,425
    4
    May 2, 2010
    I'm not so much defending Jones as I am criticizing Dana White for putting all the blame for the card cancellation on Jones. He/Zuffa are taking no responsibility at all. They were 100% counting on the main event to pull through, but it didn't work out that way. Typically, that's why there are at least two sellable fights on a PPV, but not this time. What would have happened if both Jones and Hendo were injured? They would have had to cancel.
     
  4. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

    5,126
    1
    Jul 20, 2004
    You're right scurla. What Dana should have done, is be pleased that Jones killed the card by refusing to fight. Dana should have released a statement where he kissed Jones' ass, said that Machida was a better opponent anyway, and pretended that the cancellation was a good thing.

    Injuries happen, that's an unfortunate part of the sport.

    Jones can take an easy defence (that will still pay him well) vs an undeserving big-name guy who is the same base style as Henderson but who is undersized, not really in shape, and has virtually no chance to win.

    Or, Jones can crash the entire card. **** the millions of dollars the UFC has already spent to set up and promote this card. **** the dozen or more fighters on the card who don't have Nike deals and who were relying on the paycheck.


    Still, since you're not happy with Dana being mad and saying so, what should Dana's response have been? :think

    Dana publicly kisses Jones' ass - would that have been better? :blood

    Dana mad in private but releases public statement backing Jones' decision - would that have been better?

    Dana mad as hell, thinks Jones made a selfish decision, and says so in public and private - what the **** is wrong with that? :huh

    :hat
     
  5. Peter__1987

    Peter__1987 Guest

    The UFC need to send an SOS to Curitiba, Brazil and find out how many 0's need to be on that cheque for Anderson to step up and put this guy OUT.
     
  6. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,425
    4
    May 2, 2010
    - Greg Jackson
     
  7. Peter__1987

    Peter__1987 Guest

    brilliant post :good
     
  8. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

    25,846
    1
    Apr 4, 2008
    Bingo! As you said earlier, if they had a stronger co-main then this wouldnt have got cancelled. If they had run Frankie/Benson & this combined then this problem wouldn't have happened. Too many events... Still dont understand Gregs reasons for not taking the fight other than Chael doesnt deserve it though. Surely he wouldn think Ellenburger could carry the card on his own :conf Just a case of **** happens at then end of the day
     
  9. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,425
    4
    May 2, 2010
    Yeah, I don't understand that either. Chael has about as basic a style as it gets, and it's not one foreign to Jones.
     
  10. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,833
    6
    Nov 16, 2010
    With Rob on this one. It's not on Jones for a cancelled card. Fights get cancelled more often than anyone would like, but in this case a strong co-main would've saved everyone a lot of grief. It's on the UFC for having such a weak headline fight and an otherwise soft card.

    Nothing was stopping them from running with it and eating the **** numbers, or selling it half price or some **** (I have no idea how the actual logistics work when selling ppvs), the promoters decided to cancel the card, so the blame rests on them. Massive dick move trying to place the blame on Jones and Jackson.
     
  11. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

    8,929
    39
    Jul 21, 2004
    So what happens to the term "UFC 151"?
     
  12. Peter__1987

    Peter__1987 Guest

    it happens. next month.
     
  13. Peter__1987

    Peter__1987 Guest

    Charlie Brenneman, a journeyman welterweight scheduled to fight Australia's Kyle Noke in a preliminary card bout to be aired on Facebook, tweeted at Jones: "U can send my check to PO box 198. EH NJ. Rent is due the first, so preferably by then. Thanks."

    :lol:
     
  14. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

    5,126
    1
    Jul 20, 2004
    It is on Jones.

    Jones' opponent was injured at the last minute. Sucks for sure, but **** happens.

    The UFC presented Jones with a viable opponent, very similar style to Henderson, a big name with basically zero chance to win. This opponent is willing to fight despite being relatively out of shape.

    Jones turned the fight down and killed the card.

    If Jones was okay with an easy defence against Chael, the card goes on.

    He wasn't, so the card is now cancelled. Nobody else except Jones made that call. There was nothing stopping him taking the Sonnen fight - the substitution was quite reasonable on the UFC's part. But the cancellation is on Jones, because he had an option to fight on, but he made the call to pull the card.

    :hat
     
  15. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

    25,846
    1
    Apr 4, 2008
    :lol: