riddick bowe vs lennox lewis

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  1. nostir a

    nostir a Member Full Member

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    these two are no doubt the best super/big heavies of the division.
    if they fought when they should have which would of been bowes first defence after winning it from holyfield, who do you guys think would win.
    also, since this is a pre-steward lewis who do you think would win if it was the lewis who had steward in his corner

    in my opinion:

    jab - i would say generally lewis had the better jab because he relied on it more, while bowe did not need his jab as much as lennox, however when bow utilized his jab i think its on par with lennox's, it was faster and harder as he fully extended his arm while lennox would have his arm half out, reducing power.

    equal (maybe lewis just)

    power - evander holyfield, who fought foreman, tyson, lewis, bowe etc, says bowe hit him the hardest out of anyone he fought in his top 10 opponents, both could bang hard

    bowe

    speed - this is a matter of watching each others fights, i would say bowe had the quicker hand, from watching his first holy fight and defences, and watching many of lewis's fights.

    bowe

    intelligence - not much to say other than bowe was ridiculously stupid outside the ring, unlike lewis. only included this because holyfield said lewis was the most intelligent fighter he fought

    lewis

    stamina - in their peaks, bowe had the better stamina, he through 711 punches against evander, and although lewis threw around 600 against evander as well, he threw around about 300 jabs, which are not as hard as throwing power punchers.

    bowe

    chin/durability, combination punching, inside game - all obviously bowe and cant be bothered to explain.

    bowe

    range fighting - this was lewis's place, he could judge distance great and could jab brilliantly, but bowe could also fight on the outside, having almost identical height and reach.

    lewis


    overall i think bowe is a complete fighter and, at his peak would beat a pre and post steward prime lewis

    opinions?
     
    nostir a, Aug 25, 2012
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  2. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Bowe answered this question comprehensively.
     
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  3. nostir a

    nostir a Member Full Member

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    haha
     
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  4. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He has a great chance against pre-steward Lewis, however his chances against post Steward Lewis are fairly slim in my eyes.
     
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  5. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nice post, I personally agree that Prime Bowe would
    beat a pre and post Manny Lewis. Comprable outside
    games, and as good as Lewis inside game and
    uppercuts were, Bowe's were better. I believe
    Bowe would stop Lewis. I started watching boxing
    in the 90s, so I saw Lewis and Bowe before iron Mike,
    Im huge fans of all three. I just never bought that
    Bowe was scared of Lewis and threw his belt
    in the trash because of that. If anything
    Bowe would want revenge, I just doubt
    Bowe feared anyone, Im sure there was
    a bunch of politics behind his antics as
    well. Anyway, say what you will, a peak
    Bowe could beat anyone.
     
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  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Bowe can't throw a decent right to save his life. That'd be all the difference Lennox would've needed
     
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  7. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    What's up with the options? How about Bowe by KO over a prime Lewis as an option? Prime vs. Prime, who really cares about anything else?

    Is there an agenda?
     
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  8. FastHands(beeb)

    FastHands(beeb) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis beats Bowe anytime, anyplace, anywhere. Lewis had Bowe's number in the space between Bowe's ears.

    Many people often underestimate the significance of the psychological domination that one fighter has, for whatever reason, over another. Lewis had it over Bowe.

    As an earlier poster said, Bowe answered the question himself. Why throw the WBC belt (and your status as undisputed champion) away, if you think you can beat the mandatory?

    Bowe obviously did not feel confident that if he fought Lewis he keeps both belts...but if he didn't fight Lewis, he keeps the other(s).

    Avoiding Lewis as he did is not the act of a true champion.

    All imo of course...
     
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  9. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good right hand at 6:58

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRdzOHy3ZMg[/ame]

    I'll tell you, though, Riddick Bowe was an excellent finisher. If he could hurt Lewis.. well..
     
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  10. nostir a

    nostir a Member Full Member

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    why do you think his chances are slim?
     
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  11. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Lewis' win over Bowe in the Olympics means nothing. They were both throwing and landing good punches. Bowe didn't go down and wasn't really hurt but yes... Lewsi got a KO win. I think Bowe would have stopped Lewis pre-Manny. Prime Lewis vs. Prime Bowe? Probably Lewis 2 out of 3 just because Bowe was lazy and couldn't maintain top form for 3 fights vs. a guy like Lewis.
     
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  12. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Disagree.

    It means a lot. Huge. It is a big pressure bout and you always have to see how a guy does in it. Go look at other heavies stopped in olympic title bouts. Then, look at the winner. At the end of the day, 1 guy was stopped in the biggest fight in the biggest stage of his life. the next big pressure bout was for the title w/ Commander Vander and is a totally different style. Losing gold via decision is 1 thing, stopped is another.

    Also ,if it was such a non issue and non-factor; what if the result was Bowe tko2 Lewis for the olympic gold medal? Then it "doesn't count" or "doesn't matter" as well ?
     
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  13. FastHands(beeb)

    FastHands(beeb) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Correct, imo.

    Furthermore, it's not JUST the win, it's the manner of the win, Bowe looked like he didn't want to fight on, he looked like he had had enough; looked like he wanted no more of Lewis. That mentality carried over into the pros I believe.

    As I hinted at earlier, the psycholigical angle should never be underestmated, boxing is not just right crosses and left hooks anymore than tennis is just forehands and backhands...the mental aspect is massive, and Lewis had it over Bowe imo.

    Bowe MAY have sounded confident about fighting Lewis when talking at press conferences when surrounded by his team and backslappers, but it's another thing in the quiet moments of reflection leading up to a fight and then the actual fight itself...
     
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  14. FlyingFrenchman

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    BOWe by KO
     
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  15. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Lewis gets credit for the win but let's not make more of it than what it was. Did you see the fight? It was back and forth and about even. Both men did well... then it was stopped. Bowe didn't go down and wasn't hurt. Amateur boxing really sucks. It matters but its really no indication of what would happen had they fought as pros.

    Had Bowe won KO2 I'd say the same thing unless he actually dropped/hurt/or actually made Lewis unable to continue.

    Lewis is an all-time great and a H2H nightmare for any HW on his best night.
     
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