Ali won the second norton match. Norton himself said so. The third I consider a draw but a Ali himself gave the match to norton. The shavers ali fight was close and controversial but shavers himself admitted that Ali won. And I can't really argue with that
if you watch the video, Wepners foot is in line with Alis feet just before he throws. That alone isnt particularly poignant, but then notice that as Chuck moves his other foot forward, Ali doesnt lift his forward foot away, suggesting its trapped, instead he moves his backfoot forward in line with his front which immediately says he is trying to restore balance lost in his forward foot (this is ALL happening BEFORE Chuck lands his punch). So Ali is clearly off balance and in the process of falling before the punch lands.
Yeah it's funny you say Ali is overrated because I always though you're mother's ***** was overrated. I asked a whole bunch of guys and they said "don't believe the hype,it's like sticking your dick in a cheese grater rapped in sand paper."
Joe's decline started after FOTC, so it's entirely possible that Ali beats him even if Foreman doesn't get to him. Frazier only fought twice between that fight and the time he met Foreman, against less than spectacular opposition in Daniels and Stander. And in the Stander fight, he was actually rocked at one point by an opponent who was very game but awfully limited. Ali recovered better from the first fight than Joe did, and that means the outcome of the next two fights might well have gone in his favor regardless of the Foreman decimation.
once you delete bums and cruisers and overlate KOs (= in round 13+) off the record (to have a more realistic assessment of his KO power as compared to modern heavyweight times) you find out that Ali scored the following SEVEN KOs in his entire career. Sonny Liston (1st fight): Sonny (most probably 37 years old, thus probably Ali's second oldest opponent), retired on his chair due to a shoulder problem Sonny Liston (2nd fight): The most contested KO in heavyweight history for several reasons, for example: The referee didn't even start to count Cleveland Williams: Williams was gun-shot prior to the bout, had intestines removed, parts of the kidney, couldn't train properly and came to fight with a limping and atrophied leg (you can see how the left leg is thinner than the right one). This fight was a disgrace for boxing. Ron Lyle: The referee stops the fight without a proper knockdown. (wikipedia) "Ali then hit Lyle with a strong right hand and then followed up by hitting Lyle with an unanswered combination before the referee hastily stopped the fight. However, Lyle's corner was not happy with the referee’s decision to stop the fight, Lyle was interviewed after the fight and had no visible signs of injury. Given the nature of most fights in the same era, before and after the fight, the stoppage was very unusual" Alvin Lewis: Referee stops the fight for Lewis being on his legs but extremely exhausted. Lewis was 224 lbs and this makes it Ali's heaviest KO win. Zora Folley: An uncontested KO, however Zora Folley was only 202 lbs and nearly 11 years older than Ali. (With even a little bit of dehydration he would be a cruiser, and many cruisers do/did dehydrate. (Haye for example)) George Foreman: A contested KO due to the circumstances: The fight happened in the rain forest (open air) during the rain season in Africa ("Rumble in the jungle") Foreman was held captive by the regime Foreman was life threatened and had to import food from the USA Ali's trainer admits to have manipulated the ropes Ali's co-trainer claimed he paid the cooks to poison Foreman and Foreman indeed to this very day insists he was poisoned ("I climbed into the ring with that medicinal taste still lingering in my mouth")
