did tyson lose power with age?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Wass1985, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2012
    Messages:
    14,436
    Likes Received:
    2,839
    The saying is that power stays with a boxer till the end, but i believe that mike lost quite alot as he aged. It may be because of losing speed, i also think he started throwing his shots different in his later career.
     
  2. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2005
    Messages:
    7,868
    Likes Received:
    2,048
    I don't think his power really went into major decline around the time he fought Nielson, or at least that's when it became apparent to me he didn't hit as hard any more.

    However I think that as he began to get complacent about his head movement and other elements of his game his power lost some of its terrifying effect because his opponents were more able to see his punches coming, which reduced their impact.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,571
    Likes Received:
    27,215
    I think that he kept his power prety much up to the point he retired, but his technique and reflexes declined.
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2012
    Messages:
    14,436
    Likes Received:
    2,839
    Speed was a big factor in mikes power, surely they both declined
     
    Reinhardt likes this.
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,571
    Likes Received:
    27,215
    I think that speed was more important to his delivery and finishing ability.

    They say that a fighters power is the last thing to leave him, and power on its own is an over-rated comodity.
     
  6. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2004
    Messages:
    15,795
    Likes Received:
    11,411
    He didn't lose power. He lost speed, the ability (or willingness) to throw combinations, and explosive aggression. Power is not those things. His power was what it always had been.

    Which goes to show that really, Tyson is a tad overrated in terms of sheer punching power.
     
    Reinhardt likes this.
  7. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2012
    Messages:
    1,701
    Likes Received:
    20
    Speed of a punch and the speed one twists his body plays a major role in the force of punches. Especially when somebody as naturally powerful and as strong as Mike.

    When speed goes the amount of force gets lower.

    May not have done a whole lot cause he was still decently fast and had huge ****ing muscles through his whole body, and know how to work them to get everything into a punch, but it still had some effect.
     
    Reinhardt likes this.
  8. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    4,915
    Likes Received:
    151
    NO, with WILL.

    fed up, beaten man, too much crap, not enough stability (mostly his own fragile mind), loss of heart/interest.
     
  9. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Messages:
    14,241
    Likes Received:
    153
    I don't think he lost much of his power but he lost all of the attributes that led to him being able to land punches with that power. He was looking for the one punch knockout, like an Earnie Shavers, but in Shavers's case he did stun the likes of Ali and Holmes with that power and came closer to winning than he had any business to.

    Tyson's one punch just wasn't enough to be a threat at the highest levels anymore. It was still enough to put away the likes of Frans Botha though.
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2008
    Messages:
    24,330
    Likes Received:
    9,937
    EVERYBODY loses power with age. EVERYBODY.

    Even Foreman in the 90s was still very heavy handed, but nowhere near as devestating as the 70s.

    That's because EVERY great puncher relies on a certain amount of velocity to generate their power. Every last one of them. Velocity that declines with age.
     
  11. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,314
    Likes Received:
    499
    I disagree, the raw power is still there in almost every case. The difference is that they no longer have the speed to land the punches they did when they were younger.

    In Foreman's case, he hit every bit as hard in the 1990s as he did in the 1970s, but he didn't throw nearly as much and he was no longer capable of landing the combinations he did during his prime.

    In Tyson's case, he was a very hard puncher, but it wasn't his raw power that made him so dangerous. It was his speed, accuracy, and combinations. It isn't a coincidence that once he stopped throwing his combinations and started looking for 1 big punch that he stopped getting as many devastating kos.

    The people that were 1 punch KO artists almost always maintain that type of power, even late into their career. A good example of this is Randall Bailey.
     
    Boxingfan2 likes this.
  12. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,314
    Likes Received:
    499
    I fully agree, most fighters lose the ability to land the power punches that made them famous. They didn't lose the punches themselves though.
     
  13. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,372
    Likes Received:
    672
    Tyson was very fast, surprising, and overwhelming and that led to KO's in his youth. Compare his knockouts to someone like Joe Louis. Louis's knockouts were 1 shot type affairs, and the guys looked dead afterward. Might have been due to the smaller gloves back then.

    I think Tyson's raw power is overrated. Very fast, and induced panic in a great deal of fighters. Super effective tho.
     
  14. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2008
    Messages:
    24,330
    Likes Received:
    9,937
    Comparing Bailey's power to Tyson's is COMICAL and a joke!

    Bailey isn't in the same raw power Universe as Mike, not even P4P.

    If ANYBODY's power is overrated, it's Bailey's.

    Bailey is a bum with a good, but not great punch. Bailey nailed Cotto with SEVERAL flush right hands, and Cotto never blinked. And as we all know, Cotto's chin ain't granite.

    And if you wanna see an example of Mike's raw power, look no further than the Botha KO.

    Tyson had awesome natural power. Was he as heavy handed as Foreman? No, but nobody was.

    But his power was still amazing, even without the speed. The handspeed just took it to another level.

    People can question A LOT of things about Tyson, but on thing about him that is NOT overrated is his power.
     
  15. blazeminds

    blazeminds New Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2012
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think that he kept his power prety much up but people say EVERYBODY loses power with age