A defence of Jess Willard

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  1. lufcrazy

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    I see a lot of people beating Willard.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    Willard would be big, durable and strong in any era. Unfortunately he was a bit clumsy, not fast, and really did not like boxing. The 12 round limit would be to his determent.



    Willard’s athletically ability and skill level on offense and defense is very low. If you want to project, you could argue with a modern trainer he could be similar to a Robert Helenius.



    I would give him Willard a puncher’s chance today, but because he was anything but a boxer, he would get many opportunities to cash in on them vs top rated opponents. The modern division is full of talented big men, and even tier two super heavies like Wach look far better on film.
     
  3. janitor

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    You might revise this idea if you looked into McCarthy a bit more. He is essentialy the Ike Ibeabuchi of that era.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Gunboat Smith was pretty good for a while with wins over Willard and Langford, and of coruse his infamous 4 round encounter with Jack Johnson when he had Johnson down and dazed to the point where Johnson's manager halted the action.



    Willard is not an easy guy to defend. He had a chance to enhance his legacy, but was inactive as champion.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

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    Willard drew that fight and it certainly isn't a consensus view that the decision was unjust. I rate McCarthy as a good fighter in that era and your comparison isn't too far from the mark, but Willard can't be credited with a victory here.

    In fights with no footage were opinion is split, it's difficult crediting anyone with a victory.
     
  7. janitor

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    I have backtracked a little on this one lately.

    While the fight is usualy looked at retrospectivley as a win for Willard, I have recently found a few newpaper articles arguing that McCarthy deserved the decision.

    Certainly if Willard did deserve the win, then it would have to be weighed quite heavily in his favour.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    it would have been a good win, even better had mccarthy not tragically been killed and gone on to have a successful career.
     
  9. janitor

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    People need to stop using Willard as an instrument to attack Dempsey, and give him due credit for his own career.

    Amongst other things, he won the lineal heavyweight title from an ageing ATG, who every other contender was terrified of!
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    I'm sorry this doesn't relate to the post you quoted.
     
  11. janitor

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    It relates to the thread I started!

    Lets give Willard an independent assesment.

    He had some serious flaws, but lets still give him full credit for what he did!
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    Jack Johnson would have lost to 5 or 6 contenders in 1915. Willard too.
     
  13. janitor

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    Who and why?
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    well you quoted a post and your response was completely unrelated.
     
  15. Mendoza

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