Debate over. Andre Ward is the greatest SMW ever, well clear of Calzaghe.

Andre Ward is in a position like Michael Spinks after the Holmes' wins. Great couple of wins and a top legacy at light heavy but him being destroyed by Tyson completely ruined his legacy at heavyweight.

That's my point. His position at 168 is not sturdy enough. If he lost to Bute by a second round knockout in his next fight and then was schooled by Dirrell, would anyone still rank him above Calzaghe? Of course not.

 

Instead of going on boxrec, try watching the fights!

Domination? Shut it Popkins, stop posting on an alt account

 

but they are MASSIVE 'ifs'.

Your logic is sound because you do have the advantage of comparing what has happened to Cal over what might happen to Ward. Its a tad unfair to call huge 'ifs' on a boxer when someone hasnt had the opportunity to test your 'if' out.

Time will tell, then we can all come back to this thread and laugh it off as older men round the proverbial campfire of ESB.

 

Oh, I agree. That's pretty much my point. Right now, I think the answer is quite clearly Calzaghe but I expect Ward to surpass him. However, it's unfair to base a judgment based on predictions because, as I point out, anything can happen. If Ward goes on to dominate, we'll have this poll again and I'll vote for Ward. If he happens to suffer a couple of bad losses, I'll stick to Calzaghe.

Right now, it's Calzaghe. I expect Ward will surpass him though, because I don't see any of those hypothetical losses that I mentioned playing out in reality. Ward is too good for anyone around right now but his resume isn't better than Calzaghe's at this stage, therefore he can't be ranked higher.

 

I think he can be, but is not yet.

 

Rjj

 

Comparing their best wins at 168 Calzaghe is still ahead :

---Ward ---------Calzaghe---------Better win

1. Kessler--------1. Kessler---------Calzaghe
2. Froch----------2. Eubank--------Tie
3. Bika------------3. Bika-----------Calzaghe
4. Abraham -------4. Reid-----------Calzaghe
5. Green----------5. Lacy-----------Calzaghe
6. Dawson--------6. Mitchell--------Calzaghe

If your want me to expand on my listings please feel free to ask

 

Roy jones had 6 titles fights at 168, the same number Ward has.

 

Ward is fighting home for a reason. Its quite obvious. He would make more money fighting Vegas, NY or even Nottingham. His gains at home are a big factor for winning fights. Those gains are too crucial and he knows it.

He should fight Kessler or Froch at europe.