Sergio Martinez vs. these MW

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  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    G-Man was also a cruiser. G-Man would also be far better at everything and hit harder than Chavez.

    Pavlik had some gold middle rounds against Martinez. Again, I would say McClellan is a bit sharper at his best than Pavlik was, a bit past his best, against Martinez.

    I am a big critic of G-Man's opposition. All straight on, and smaller. But as everyone keeps saying, Sergio isn't a massive middleweight, especially not by today's standards (and McClellan would still be a big middleweight today) and as I keep saying, Sergio isn't half as slick as he thinks he is, and he can be outboxed and he can be hit.

    G-Man has the better chin, he's bigger, not slow, knows the basics and hits hard. He certainly gives Martinez a better fight than any of his middleweight opposition thus far, so I don't think it's crazy suggesting he beats him.

    Making excuses like he only got knocked down for going for the K.O? Well he goes for the L.O in most of his fights and ups the pace in the late rounds, if a decent but not brilliant fighter like Jr can exploit these holes than I don't think it's much of a stretch, injury or not, to imagine far better fighters doing so.

    Rubin Carter wasn't a huge middle. But watch him against Benton and tell me he doesn't have the technical nous and power to compete with Martinez and possibly beat him. Watch him starch Griffith inside a round, you'll have seen these fights already. You seriously think Martinez wouldn't have his hands full with this guy? A dangerous contender in his era and nothing more.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Also wasn't 'every second' sorry to be pedantic but Jr had some very small moments of success that at least made up two or three seconds of the bout. ;)
     
  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Great avi :good
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I like Martinez, but not his chances against this list. I personally wouldn't favor him over any of them, although I do think he would give respectable performances.
     
  5. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG has some potential I'll give you that. Pirog's career has been frustrating however. I haven't really made my mind up about him.
     
  6. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Just to be clear - I'm not saying they would destroy everybody in the division.

    But both have some potential, both have been avoided by Sturm, N'Jikam etc.
    and both expressed their desire to fight Martinez many times.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I meant more so in terms of weight behind him, good point about Graham's rough housing though

    G'man is probably bigger than Martinez, but Martinez is a 172lb MW himself, probably packing more size than Benn. McClellan is unlike anyone. You mention Martinez being down to Chavez, yes but I think that's more getting tired from been on his toes for 11 rounds as a 37yo and making a mistake when tired. HOWEVER Williams dropping and hurting Martinez early shows more vulnerabilities in his defence chin

    McClellan's fast straight punches against an open defence are a big question mark anyway though. The other question mark is how GMAN does against a counter punching boxer mover and how he performs after the first few rounds. He lost those early decisions, which may or may not be a reflection on his true ability and against Benn his stamina was found seriously lacking. If McClellan doesn't get Martinez early, the smart money would be on Martinez picking him apart over the rest of the distance

    As for Carter, I think his most similar opponent would be Giardello, which was a close fight that could have gone either way imo. Martinez is a fair bit bigger stronger than him though
     
  8. Hattons Hook

    Hattons Hook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first one was close ,the second one Benn was utterly shot, done.Benn did have his off days but these match-ups usually assume prime vs prime, the Benn who lost to Eubank in the first fight at MW blows Martinez out imo.
     
  9. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    I can see Martinez beating Eubank and Benn.....I´m not saying he is better than these two, I mean, Benn and Eubank are still better than the argentinian..but in a h2h comparison, I think they wouldn´t be too much for Sergio......good fights.
     
  10. MadcapMaxie

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    Agree with his. I think McClellan takes him out. The names posted above, Sergio hasn't beaten anybody of their calibre to show he could take them.
     
  11. YUZO WANTANABE

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    you couldnt favor sergio in most of these fights but he gives a very hard fight to all of them and if its one thing that is true to the laws of boxing which transcend all of our opinions, whatever they may be, its that a slick as slime southpaw, with a big punch and a good chin will always be hard to beat for anyone. for example if sergio fought all of these fighters 10 times each, by sheer merit of this, he'd win a few of those fights.
     
  12. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I misread this first time round. GGG, in destroying Proksa probably convinced every other mw to carry on avoiding him like the plague. I get the feeling HBO want to build GGG up as a potential Martinez opponent by feeding Macklin to him. I wonder if Macklin will play ball? Rather doubt it.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Yeah, HBO do seem to be doing just that.

    And I agree, no way Macklin takes the fight. He'd be wise not to, he'd get slaughtered.

    He can probably make good money rescheduling the bout with Murray or fighting Darren Anderton, sorry, Barker.
     
  14. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both fights I'd favour Macklin to win.
    Makes you wonder who'd be dumb enough to take GGG on. Maybe HBO should just chuck Golovkin in with Ward or Martinez and have done with it.

    Just watching a better quality vid of Martinez-Chavez jr now (to get back on topic) and possibly I'm underselling SM's chances here. He makes mistakes but he's quick, got great stamina and a really competitive edge to him in this fight. If Eubank turned up in one of 'those' moods he get a hiding.