Rocky Marciano

name me 3 reasons why you think a 1923 gibbons looks better on film than a 1954 charles?

 

I just want to hear why you think Jeffries and Dempseys opponents look so magnificent on film when most of them don't know how to jab, can't combination punch, lack upperbody and head movement, lack a fluid boxing style, and keep there hands low?

 

Gibbons is arguably Dempsey's best win. Reading materials from the era, it's pretty obvious that Gibbons was considered a level above the usual rabble, hard to hit and a hard hitter when his right was healthy. He was pretty bitter about the circumstances of his Dempsey encounter (mostly the ref, as noted on another thread). Regardless, Jack had him withering big time toward the end and accomplished what Greb did twice beforehand... the Greb he would never face.

 

I still maintain it's impossible to genuinely believe Jack has a better resume or did more in his career than Rocky did.

Rocky v Jack is debatable as any fantasy fight is but going off resume and achievement it's literally impossible to strongly argue in jack's favour.

Charles > Gibbons
Moore > Miske
Jersey > Sharkey
Louis > Willard

There's no debate there whatsoever. Layne, Cockell and Lastarza are debatable with Fulton, Firpo and Brennan and even if you favour the latter 3, that doesn't make up for the huge advantage Rocky has up top.

 

Don't let the door hit you on your way out

 

Gibbons is rated very highly all time by those who watched him fight. Arcel, Tunney, Sharkey among others stated that Gibbons was an excellent fighter as just some examples. Whether Gibbons was better or worse than Charles is impossible to say...it's tough enough to compare Marciano and Dempsey! One thing that can be said is I have never read anyone who saw both fighters fight that picked Marciano to beat Dempsey. Fleischer wrote the following "you cannot compare Marciano to Dempsey (Louis etc) except as a puncher". Marciano was a great puncher brawler but falls very short in terms of the fine points of the game.

 

You mean dempsey losing 5 of the first 6 rounds, nearly getting knocked out in round 1, and having to illegally hit sharkey in the balls in order to cheap shot kayo him? Should have been a DQ win for Shark

 

Coulda...woulda...shoulda...Marciano was 49-0 with 43 KO's...champ from 1952 to 1956...he never lost...'nuff said...

 

94 FIGHTS IS BULL****.

charles and marciano both fought in WW2. charles had been active for what? 3 years before the war as a kid? ez quit the ring when he was called up. charles was almost inactive for as long as his first career, he started again after the war aged 23. You can scratch that first MIDDLEWEIGHT career where he was still growing. charles stared afresh aged 23 after a break that had lasted as long as hed been boxing.

Charles was 55-7 against Marciano who was 45-0 and only 2 years younger. Both Charles and Marciano started around the same time after the war only difference was Charles also had a brief career before the war.

 

I mentioned 7 names.

Charles at that stage is more impressive than Gibbons at that stage. Ditto for Louis and Willard.

 

Oh, hell, probably at the top.... Due to styles, only 188 to 192 pound Jack Dempsey can measure up to Marciano with perhaps a finely tuned 1930 version of Max Schmeling who was also around 191 pounds in his heyday....

Anyway, sub-200 pounders like "Marciano, Dempsey and Schmeling" are my all-time favs....

MR.BILL:hat

 

The funny thing is, I don't even rate Rocky that high as a h2h force at heavyweight. But given an opponent weighing below 200 I can't see him losing.

Placing his resume above Jack's is just an obvious statement.

 

I'm getting lit-up on King Cobra and salami and I popped in my tape of "Marciano-Walcott 1" of '52 for review....

This fight here is a classic case of what can happen to boxing history between rds 12 to 15..... Had this fight been a 12 rounder, Wally would've won a dec. easy over Marciano....

MR.BILL

 

Jersey Joe Walcott had all the skills and conditioning in the book, but he had a shaky set of whiskers that often let him down in crucial fights.... However, for a dude roughly 195 pounds, he could hang with anybody between 185 to 200 pounds.....

MR.BILL

 

Rocky beat big guys, small guys, great guys and elite guys. The cream comes to the top and Marciano beat the cream. is that a lie?

super heavyweight is an artificial division. Most of what people regard as a SHW fighter is a puffed up classic sized heavyweight that could lose 30lb and be a better fighter. I insist that classic sized heavyweights were big enough and had no problems chopping down slower targets. Marciano was a short classic sized heavyweight. So what? Did being short ever bother great champions?

Rocky fought the best there was. super heavyweights have always existed but they did not feature among the elite until the 12 round era because leaner heavyweights -who could fight 15 rounds -elcipsed them.