Golovkin’s lack of defense

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  1. Karaganda

    Karaganda cakewalker Full Member

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    Gennady Golovkin made a smashing debut on HBO against Proksa, but among the fans who had watched his earlier fights there were sceptics who pointed to his poor defense. These sceptics usually refer to the fight Golovkin had with Kassim Ouma in June 2011.

    The fight with Ouma went on for 10 rounds, way beyond what is normal for Golovkin. During these 10 rounds Golovkin had a steady number of jabs, hooks and uppercuts plantet in his face. There is no denying this.

    This was caused by several things:

    1. First of all Golovkin seemed hell-bent on knocking Ouma out, that had only happened one time earlier in Ouma’s career, and that was by first-round TKO by unknown journeyman Augustin Silva back in 1999. This caused Golovkin to focus too much on the offense, and not adapting his usual fight plan.

    2. Ouma was, especially in the first half of the fight simply too fast on his feet. Golovkin could not plant his feet and that took away most of his power. The high pace of Ouma spoiled Golovkin’s normal slow-start fight plan and hindered him in figuring Ouma out before his power started dropping.

    3. Ouma used fast in-the-pocket movement and a spoiling jab to distract Golovkin’s offensive focus. This worked very well actually.

    4. Golovkin has the habit of ignoring punches that presumably have little power in them. He got hit by a series of flush jabs and hooks that had little power in them but it did not look good for a fighter with P4P ambitions. Unless changed, that habit could age him rather quickly as a fighter.

    To his credit Golovkin is much harder to hit with anything that really matters. Although he was backed up by Ouma on a few occasions, especially in the early rounds, he did not look hurt or stunned at any time. His face was not bleeding, there was no swelling and only a minor amount of bruises around the eyes and nose. Not bad after 10 rounds of intense fighting. Ouma never stopped throwing, but stopped putting any force into his blows already by round 3/4.

    The limited amount of damage was caused by Ouma having very little power. Ouma throws from a defensive stand with no winding up. His KO percentage is a low 46 per cent. Offensively, Ouma is basically a grinder, slapping and smacking his opponents around the head.

    With this in mind it is no real surprise that Golovkin spars with light heavies or cruisers. He has too much focus on the offense and needs to learn defense the hard way.

    With the above defects - which fighters could actually take on Golovkin and escape with a win?
    Both Mayweather at 154 and Ward at 168 seemingly have what it takes. Mayweather’s speed and defensive skills would enable him to hit a drained Golovkin without triggering Golovkin’s counter-punch. It would be Mayweather-Cotto all over again. Ward could use faster in-pocket movement to basically do a Dawson replay on a naturally smaller Golovkin, except it would go the distance.

    At 160 - sorry Martinez fans - Golovkin does not need to fear anyone.

    What do you think?
     
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  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just skim-read your post, and agree to some extent. I haven't seen much of him, to be honest, but one of the first things I noticed about him was his poor defence and footwork. Right now he's the new Pirog - recieving a quick burst of praise after a decent first-time showing in the States, and being hyped up to be some sort of threat to Martinez. When in fact, Martinez would handle him quite easily. Ward even more so. Mayweather's too small and wouldn't even look twice at a no-name, hard-punching middleweight. But yeah, apart from Martinez, I would agree he has noone to fear. Mainly because the middleweight division is ****.
     
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  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Taking one to deliver two, that's what we love about him. :deal
     
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  4. kas117

    kas117 Undisputed Shit-Stirrer Full Member

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    Are you ****ing serious? You guys really know how to over hype someone don't you? Who has GGG ever fought that is anywhere near the calibre of the like of Geale or even Chavez Jr? I'll tell you who: no one yet you think he can go well against the likes of Ward and Mayweather??? Give yourself a great big uppercut

    GGG greatest victory is against some bum who didn't even keep his hands up to defend himself and yet still tagged Golovkin quite a bit. What do you think someone like Martinez or Geale will do with their workrate and handspeed and defence which is 100x better than Proska's. He get's tagged just as much and his handspeed is severely overrated and as you said he has **** foot work.

    Pfft go the distance with Ward and Mayweather because he knocked out some euro bum? Idiot
     
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  5. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    ggg defense looks lazy but its a trick to pull you in.the guy takes a punch to give you 2 back.the guy knows his science....
     
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  6. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    mayweather and ward dont want anything to do with ggg you idiot...
     
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  7. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Ouma is a tough son of a gun a prime Vanes looked **** against him and a prime Taylor couldnt ko him either. Ouma today would still make anyone look like **** including Canelo, Cotto, Lara, even Floyd. GGG seemed one step ahead vs Proksa would avenged his loss with ease people seem to forget that! GGG pressures while countering he may be small, but he's deceptively strong and highly intelligent. Very Tszyu-like and iron jaw, body attack, and pressure very Chavez-like. He can beat any style bring them on! He beat Bute and Dirrell in the ams fighters knew who he was before the fans did they know watsup with GGG.
     
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  8. slicksouthpaw16

    slicksouthpaw16 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why would they? Lol he doesn't have any big wins, and to be honest he was given the title that he has. I think he definitely has skills, but are you seriously telling me that established, proven pound for pound champs like Floyd and Ward would duck Golovkin who doesn't bring anything but HBO hype? There's fighters in their own divisions that are more deserving than Golovkin.
     
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  9. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    and they are happy for it.....just keep that ggg away from us...
    totally agree with ya
     
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  10. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Golovkin's lack of defense is disturbing because we still haven't really seen him in there with a really proven guy yet. Proska was not a bad fighter but we're talking about a guy that was basically a European level guy, not a proven world class operator. When Golovkin steps up his game, it's unlikely he'll be able to just walk down the likes of Martinez or a lot of the higher level guys at 168. There's no way to know for certain until he steps up though.
     
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  11. Eastcoast

    Eastcoast Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because Ward and Mayweather are very cautious about who they fight.
     
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  12. kas117

    kas117 Undisputed Shit-Stirrer Full Member

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    You're the ****ing idiot here. Do you honestly think that Ward and Mayweather even know who he is you ****ing dumb****? Mayweather would make this guy look like an amateur as would the likes of Ward, Martinez, Geale or anyone with a high work rate and hand speed and a decent defence.

    Get GGG balls out of your mouth and actually make a sensible and realistic statement for once idiot. BTW who ever that girl is in your picture is ****ing feral.
     
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  13. Eastcoast

    Eastcoast Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agee we don't know just how good GGG really is, simply because he hasn't had the oppurtunity to fight any of the top guys yet. All we know is from his fights against limited opposition, his impressive accomplishments from his amateur days, and stories from sparring sessions with Chavez, Alvarez, Angulo, and most recently with LHW's and CW's. Then there's also the situtions like with Sturm choosing Macklin, Murray, Zbik, and Geale over GGG, and possibly now Geale may give up the WBA title he risked everything for by going over to Germany against one of their biggest champs in years, and choose to fight Sam Soliman in Australia rather than GGG on HBO.
     
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  14. slicksouthpaw16

    slicksouthpaw16 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definitely Mayweather but Ward??? Remember the super 6? :lol: Ward came in as an unknown underdog and literally whooped everybody's ass in the whole tournament. Hes no where near cautious about opposition. Not even close.
     
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  15. slicksouthpaw16

    slicksouthpaw16 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I remember when people were saying all of this about David Lemieux before he was ktfo by Rubio. Golovkin looks real good so far, but lets see him in the ring against a real champion or a real contender before carving him out to be the second coming. The fact that you are seriously implying that Ward and Mayweather is ducking this dude is just hilarious. As if they even know who he is, and even if they did they can easily see that he hasn't fought any real opponents so far. I highly doubt that skilled, technical fighters such as themselves would cringe over a puncher (as if they haven't dealt with them in th past).
     
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