Roy Jones Jr vs Rocky Marciano

Roy Jones is a higher quality Heavyweight than Walcott now? That's amusing.

 

Let's see...The 'Suzie Q" vs the chin of Roy Jones...Marciano by murder!!!

 

come on, this is the kind of dismissive answer that forces people backing jones to sound defensive. disregarding roy jones like this is as bad as me saying "with his speed, he'd carve up marciano's face and break his nose. if an ancient charles could split that nose in two imagine what jones could do!"

marciano would not murder him. he might knock him out. but this is NOT an easy, walkover fight for rocky. someone as fast as a prime/near prime jones is near impossible to take and the rock is gonna take a lot of time finding that "glass" chin

 

It does take some faith to go with Jones considering he's going up a non-stop, hard-punching tank. I say this not because I doubt Jones ability, but just because of Jones reputation as being a little fragile. It almost feels "defensive" from the start to back or favor Jones considering their respective records in the division.

 

1. Jones started at 160 and grew into a 180lb physique

2. He does have pedigree at HW

3. A complete myth, Marciano's opponent's weren't boiled down, they simply trained to lose excess blubber to get to their fighting weight. They were in shape at 180-190, the same as Jones opponents. They weren't bigger/stronger than Jones opponents

4. Another attempt to minimise Joens achievement of beating 20 world champions while pretending he ducked opponents (he didn't). Yet he'd somehow be scared of taking on Rocky? Spurious logic

5. Rocky was not in shape at 200lbs, he was in shape at 180-190, he wasn't a 200lb man, his bodyfat wasn't even that low at 185, he was in shape but he wasn't shredded. Now he was very strong, very fit, powerful - no doubt.

 

of course, jones would be the long shot and the not safe bet. i would certainly not favour him and he's my favourite fighter. however, this is based on analysis of their styles and not quality of fighters. i also think jones gives rocky a lot of problems and could pull the upset on the right night.

 

Which Roy are we talking about, the 193 lb. version that fought Ruiz or a prime version (like the one that fought Virgil Hill above the LHW limit)

 

In terms of H2H? I think Jones is a level above Walcott, Walcott dropped a decision to Maxim, I'm not sure Jones loses a round to Maxim. Unless it was an unjust decision?

 

Crowd boos; Examination after bout shows both Jersey Joe's hands hurt:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...5U8AAAAIBAJ&sjid=uCoMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4039,2853796

 

WRONG NC, If Rocky twice as strong as a BEEFED up Roy Jones, KOs
Jones , Roy would not be fit for a SECOND bout, LET alone a 10 bout series...Roy couldn't train properly from a hospital...LOOK what happened to a Joe Walcott in the second bout...His whole psyche recoiled from another
ordeal like the first bout...Roy Jones as I posted before was a 165-68
natural fighter who could not even cope with a Bert Cooper, nor a Jerry Quarry, though a better P4P fighter, was still a large middleweight...Do
you actually believe that any edition of Roy Jones could honestly cope with
an Ezzard Charles, an Archie Moore , or a powerful right hand puncher,wily Jersey Joe Walcott ? Would any of these tremendous fighters I cite
lose to the
fighters who kod Roy Jones ever ??? Not in your wildest dreams !

 

Roy Jones decision. Of course Rocky could land the killshot but Roy would be far too ****ing aware of that for it to really happen IMO

 

good to hear you're relaxed. understand your points but you're assuming basically that jones has no punch resistance. yes, 35 yr old, post-heavy jones would be blown out by rocky but the 25 yr old jones is a completely different fighter. the problem with jones now in these fantasy matchups is that all anyone remembers is the end of his career. don't forget jones was named the fighter of the decade and arguably that best fighter of his era. this doesn't mean he beats maricano but at his best roy was an incredibly special fighter.

 

It would be an interesting fight ... Jones speed was so much superior that it is possible Marciano simply does not get near him ... in addition, a prime JOnes could go the distance unlike an older Charles or Walcott ... however, if I had to be my money would be on Rocky over 15 ... a fight like this is so determined by conditions like the ring size and how the ref allows the men to fight ...

 

burt, should we look at the fighters ezzard charles lost to at the end of his career and compare those to the some of the fighters jones beat? don't forget that when you say jones is a 165-168 fighter, that's with day before weigh-ins. prime for prime he weighed about the same as charles and moore. for guys around jones' size, i think a prime charles would give him the most trouble. this fantasy matchup was covered by the ring in their "fantasy matchup" issue a few years back. jones won by split decision so since the ring says this is the case, we can all assume jones would have beat charles. (just kidding)

 

You take being a nostalgist to a whole new level, Burt... Much of the Classic forum (including me) are nostalgists, and prefer the old, tough guys from a better-schooled era, rather than the million-dollar sparring matches fighters are used to (in large part on the world stage, particularly when it comes to PPV fights).

I don't think it foolish to expect Jones to hang with Charles, Walcott, and Moore. He may not beat them all, but he belongs. He'd win some, lose some, which is what should be expected.

Too much is made of when guys were in the Olympics... Like that's automatically their natural weight... Yeah, when they were young kids, sure. As a man matures, they put on natural weight; they can't make a certain (their original) weight forever.

The reality is that Jones, as a LHW, walked around at the mid-180's... That's not a 165-168 natural fighter. That's a guy big enough and hard-punching enough for just about anyone to take seriously.

If Walcott and Moore can drop Marciano, Jones is capable of pulling off the same feat.

Jones didn't have the balls or the money offered or whatever you want to say about it, but he didn't fight more than one hand-picked HW.

Just because a guy didn't do it doesn't mean he couldn't have though...

I still say Marciano wins, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Jones knock Marciano down, or even win.