Roy Jones Jr vs Rocky Marciano

So D, you insult me by spouting that " I take "nostalgia " to a new level
because I posted that Marciano would ko any version of the 165-8 lb
or so version, or ANY version of Roy Jones ? So why not just put an asterisk after my posts ? After all my opinion is tainted according to
YOU by "nostalgia", and not experience and analytical thoughts...What a
bunch of lard to accuse me of lack of judgement because of my age...
It is you sir who is illogical...
for example, if as you claimed extolling the opinion that Roy Jones could have coped with a Marciano, a Charles, Walcott in his prime ,why in heaven's name didn't he challenge the heavyweight Champions during his time ? Why in the world didn't he campaign for a title bout with the reigning HW champs ? didn't Roy know how rich he would become if he
had a HW title bout, let alone won the crown ? He sure did but Roy smart guy that he was and is now KNEW HIS LIMITATIONS, more so than you do
decades later...
One other thing sir...I am proud that I am old enough to have seen the fighters of the 1940s, and I am still wise enough to distinguish between
love of the past, and what my experience to analyse the abilities of fighters past and present....
P.S. I forgot the asterisk...

 

burt, charles, walcott and marciano were around 185 lbs when they were heavyweight champ, lennox lewis was 6'5" 250. jones tried to fight holyfield in '97 but evander didn't want the fight. evander felt he could make more money fighter other opponents. jones was small for a light heavyweight much less a heavyweight.

 

That is my point K. Roy Jones was as you state, SMALL for a lightheavy weight... And Marciano was a MONSTER at 185 pounds...I saw ringside what damage he could inflict on anyone over a full bout and THIS thread is about Roy Jones vs Rocky Marciano after all...Isn't it ? Akin to matching a
Floyd Mayweather against a Dick Tiger....Timber !!!
The difference between a Ray Robinson and a Roy Jones was that Robinson
with 202 bouts stopped once by Maxim and heat prostration,and Roy Jones
with one third the bouts and flattened after his prime, was that Robinson had what the bareknuckle fighters called "bottom", the ability to stay the course no matter what and Roy loaded with talent lacked that intangible ability...And this being said Ray Robinson never truly challenged an Ezzard Charles, nor Archie moore, nor harold Johnson, but a light punching
Joey Maxim...Robby the immortal knew better...Though Ezzard and moore those days where about 175 pounds...Marciano at a razor trained 185 pounds was a battering tank who would break the blood vessels of Roy Jones by just battering his arms until Roy would be a sitting duck...I recall many years ago i spoke to Ruby Goldstein the referee at a boxing seminar
after his lecture in New Hampshire...He told ne when he refereed the Marciano/Charles bout he saw Charles biceps purple from broken blood vessels, after Marciano's avalanche of clublike blows..This battering
is painful to keep your defense for long and Marciano would be the wrong
185 pound guy for Jones to fight...As would a Frazier, a Tyson etc...
Marciano , though 185 or so had inhuman stamina, strength and resolve for
a 165 or so prime Roy Jones to last the distance. Cheers...

 

P.S. Jersey Joe Walcott who I saw flatten a sensational knockout artist from Tampa Fl in 1946 Tommy Gomez, was about 195 lbs of muscle when he fought Rocky Marciano in 1952...This version of Arnold Cream would have murdered the 30 pound lighter Roy Jones...

 

Marciano wasn't a 1 punch at a time type of fighter, he threw punches in bunches and will make RJJ fight for every second of every round at an intensity he's never witnessed and with punching power he's never witnessed. Even if Marciano hits thin air for the first 6 rounds it's not going to matter he's only going to up the pace and continually grind down Jones and bust him up badly. 45 minutes is a VERY long time and Marciano has always, ALWAYS managed to land massive shots and if he did this to RJJ i think it's lights out, and if not he'll pour leather on him till he gave in like against Archie Moore.

 

Cheers for this story Burt, never heard it before :good

 

Thanks MM. I as I posted went to an afternoon boxing seminar at a hotel in New Hampshire where Ruby Goldstein lectured for about 90 minutes, about his boxing experiences.Ruby was one of the greatest LW prospects ever and was a neighbor and idol of my dad, before Goldstein collided with a small Marciano called the Nebraska Wildcat Ace Hudkins.Sayonara to
Ruby's career...He made a fine lecture and after the lecture I and another person corralled him for over an hour talking mano to mano to him about his career as a fighter and famous referee...I might post a thread about
that interesting boxing afternoon...He had great opinions, as he saw them all from 1920 to the day he died ...We'll see...

 

You either have to be a complete gimp from the neck up or this thread is just some kinda sick joke...Marciano kills him inside of 3 Rounds..Probably knocks JR"s ass clean outa the ring....This is no a brainer Homeslice!:desk

 

Roy is one of my favourites but this is a bad match up for a guy who was more a middleweight than even a Lt Heavyweight imo.

Rocky weighed 188 only because of his spartan training regime, his walking around weight was 200+. He's naturally a much stockier, thicker set guy than Roy (he of the skinny chicken legs) and therefore naturally stronger and more powerful.

Jones' leg speed against Ruiz was still great but his mobility wasn't near what it was in his Middle-Super Middle-early Lt Heavy days and I have grave doubts whether he would be able to constantly move away from the always advancing, attacking Marciano for a full 12 rounds.

I don't think Jones would commit enough on his punches to bust Rocky up like Ezzard Charles did and I give him no chance at all of stopping the Rock any other way.

I think Jones would make Rocky look silly for a while but Marciano wouldn't be the slightest bit peturbed as he constantly presses, hammering Roy to the arms and body until eventually he catches Jones clean with a series of head shots and then it's all over.

Marciano is psychologically a completely different animal to Ruiz and he wouldn't be cowed by Roys undoubted gifts and speed unlike 'the Quiet Man".

 

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Good points Burt.

I don't get what's so insulting about saying Roy is in over his head with Rocky. Roy was a brilliant fighter at 160-68 and very,very good at 175 but Marciano was a tank who brutally and I mean brutally beat guys who were naturally larger,stronger and more powerful than Jones ever was.

Jones wasn't a legitimate heavyweight and his win over Ruiz though excellent isn't any indication of how he'd cope with someone like Marciano who routinely wrecked people instead of grappling them to defeat (and that's no knock on Ruiz who fought in the style he had to and got everything out of himself).

 

Tell me again what his Pedigree is at HW.. can you name the quality wins please.

BTW.. Jones ISN'T the LHW that Charles and Walcott were.. Sorry man, that isn't really debatable.

Jones wins most every round from 1-5.. after that.. .he still wins rounds but is taking more shots from 6-9. After that.. he gets stopped.

 

I say once Marciano lands that Suzie Q, it's all over for Jones.

 

Simmer down, now, simmer down... If you read my posts you would have seen that I agree with nostalgia and that I prefer and can also be biased towards the older generation of fighters. I never said anything about your age. You've implied alot, and in doing so, getting insulted and all snippy about it.


What you said was that Roy was a natural 165-168 lb'er. I simply made a point of disagreement with that. There have been several threads with this very subject in it lately (natural weight).

And yes, I do believe Roy could hang with Walcott, Marciano, and Charles- on a skill and ability level, and on a "big enough" level. His chin and grit is what lets him down in those matches, though. As I said before, he most likely loses against all of them.

I respect and enjoy your posts as well as your opinions, but I'm free to disagree and pick up on biased assessments of anyone here.

 

What is a "modern diet"? Lol. Calories haven't changed in 60 years, a protein is a protein, a carb is a carb, a fat is a fat. They are the same as they always been. Can't stand this modern nutrition bull****. Marciano was built like a brick **** house, he was dense as hell. an would be the same weight as he was then. He would not be lighter

 

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