the fab 4 in the 1940s would be fighting at different weights & scheduals, WHO do they fight & how do they do? Hagler would be a MW cum L-HW. Hearns would be the same MW cum L-HW. SRL would be basically just be what he was a Welterweight cum MW. Duran would be very much a Welterweight. would they have been World Champions or would they be in the mix of fellow Great Top Contenders?
can the petronellis, angy dundee, ,ray arcel and emanuel stewart go back in time with them (from the 80's they already are there in the 40's)
They weighed in on the same day as well. They'd be the same, only Duran, Leonard and Hearns wouldn't be able to dip into light middleweight and any over the weight fights would, as you've said, be at light heavy.
interesting thread. Welterweights 1940 ring ratings Fritzie Zivic, Champion Henry Armstrong Izzy Jannazzo Charley Burley Jimmy Leto Mike Kaplan Maxie Berger Holman Williams Cocoa Kid Tony Marteliano Quentin (Baby) Breese duran starts his career at welter in 1940, some tough fights there. i don't know izzy janazo but the rest of the top 4 can take wins from duran. by 1943 people had moved up and duran could/should be champion. hard to see him making too much impact moving up to middle with the calibre of the top 10 plus hearns and leonard though.
I think barring Hearns they generally fight at the same weights, Hearns starts at WW but goes up to MW without the LMW division. Hearns would be a star because of his power so he'd get more big money fights, like Robinson. A 160lb Hearns may well be too much for a 144lb Robinson and Lamotta. A 160lb Hagler beats Lamotta and a 144lb Robinson and batters Cerdan A 147lb Leonard beats everyone but Robinson (yep Galivan too) but gives Robinson a close fight Duran beats all the LWs unless he fights Robinson at the 135lb limit, but he might beat Robinson at 135. At 147 he loses to Galivan, goes 1-1 with Leonard, loses to Robinson Not sure how they do against Holman, Burley and Marshall. Not enough footage to gauge
in the 1940s Duran wouldn't have considered 135, maybe pass through it as a young novice fighter, Duran would be very much a proper WW... Hearns a contender sure, No Doubt, but he would have his Chin Checked quite often by the busy schedual & tough opposition in contention & on the fringe that he would have to face. SRL would find his way in as a WW, but have a hell of a harder go at MW, keep in mind as as mentioned with Hearns, their fighting monthly against some excellent no nonsense fighters. Hagler should sit well at MW, but I wouldn't say he sit King of the Hill, same with Duran at WW.
Quite likely he would want no parts of Bob Cat Montgomery and would choose the easier path of fighting lesser quality welters like SRR and such!
Agreed, and he beat an ATG feather at around super feather before that. All jokes aside, breaks my heart there's no footage of Montgomery.
THINK like back then, men fought at basically their natural weight give or take a few pounds... Duran's whole understanding and that of his coaches & trainers, the people around him and the Whole Boxing World thought different to us in the last 40 years. Duran would have been a WW, this wouldn't have even been questioned, that's what his fighting accepted understanding without second quessing it would have been. this is also why some people have misguided ideas in fantasy match ups, they are simply forgetting the Mind Sets of the time. Men fought at in & around their natural weight & they fought often. This makes for a very different outcome for fighters & such discussions.
Lightweight was Durans natural weight. He didn't have much to boil off. And I have to question why he wouldn't be able to make 135 if he wad the same size as Williams and Montgomery. LaMotta certainly didn't fight at his natural weight. Neither did Midget Wolgast. In fact most guys did what Duran did: win titles at lower weights and have tons of over the weight non title fights.
