T.K.O. in 6

round 2 didn't look so stable for LL either.....I think it is safe to say, backed up by evidence in there fight as well as the fact that LL was past prime, that both of these guys have what it takes to at least score a KD of the other pvp......we have never seen Vitali on his butt so we can't really say how he would react to a KD.....prime Lennox was a great finisher........:bbb

 

careful IB....too much agreeable discourse and this thread could break

but Yes! i said this a few pages back....totally agree:good

 

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I have to disagree with both points. the amount of blood loss by Vitali should not have had that much impact on him in the sense of being vulnerable to being KOed. He should not have been light headed due to the blood loss. An argument could be made that because of his blood he could not see the punches coming . . . which is a legit argument.

As for being LL being shaky in round 2 it has been proven in the ring when LL is not properly prepared he is vulnerable to getting KTFO. I do not think Vitali had the power to do that.

I think prime v prime it would be very clear from the onset that Lennox is a class above. I do not mean that to besmirch Vitali, rather it shows how great LL really was. I think LL is cut from the same cloth as Holmes, Ali, Mariciano, Louis, Dempsey, Tunney and Johnson. He not only had the natural gifts, the training but he also had the competition that made him into a great fighter. I think Little bro has become a better boxer and fighter then older Bros even thou I see Vitali doing better against the former greats because he has a better beard. But even Wlad will come up short because unfortunately he does not have the comp to take him to that next level. I wish someone would emerge to become a real threat and force Wlad to go to that next level but I just do not see it . . . its to bad TBH

 

yea, i don't know that the blood loss had him light headed or woosey...I'm just saying its likely the cut and blood loss effected his performance.....aside from blood blurring his vision...I think such a cut, and first major cut for Vitali if im not mistaken, could have easily derailed his game plan....a negative distraction for him either way

What from the onset showed you that Lennox is a class above? I saw a very evenly matched bout. LL obviously rose to the occasion and did what he had to do....a true champion......on the same token, I don't think it is a disrespect to list the brothers along with past ATGs....I'm not naively saying they march through them or anything...but just that h2h they would be competitive and cannot be written off because their resume and era.

LL was not in his best form...I'd say that is valid....i do agree with your statement about having the competition that makes you into a great fighter.....the harder you are pushed the better you become....therefor i would argue that Vitali was pre-prime....not green, but for the sake of determining a "prime" Vitali one cannot discount the championship experience gained during TKO6

 

I think Lewis was the better overall fighter and would have adjusted in a rematch. But there is little doubt the cut affected Vits performance as it got worse. His biggest problem was he lacked real defensive skills. He does fine with what he's got against inferior comp, but he had nothing to keep Lewis off him those last two rounds. Not being able to see surely magnified the situation.

 

Lewis was the much better fighter. The problem was Vitali thought he could knock Lewis out with one punch. But after he realized Lewis can take his punches, the situation was difficult for him. Vitali had not real fight plan. Again bad corner work from his coach Sdunek, instead of telling Vitali to try to knock Lewis out after Vitali was cut, Vitali tries to box with Lewis. Lewis was to clever for this and all the clinching from Vitali makes himself tired.

Emanuel Steward said before the fight, Vitali will not step back and this will be the reason he will lose. Steward was right, the weight of Lewis tired Vitali up. This shows Lewis could change his plan after 6 rounds Vitali was done. Lewis would have knock him out in the 7the round.

The stoppage was legal. If not, Vitali would have lost his eye or health.

The doctor made the right decision.

 

You are missing the point. The decision after stoppage was wrong. The cut was caused by thumbing and the outcome should have been TD6 for Vitali according to the rules.

 

This is 100% false and video of the fight and punch supports that. I've asked you before to supply links of anyone connected with the fight claiming this and you've failed to supply any. Was it his dreads that made the cuts worse too? :yep

 

Good post! :good

 

There is a gif earlier in the thread that clearly shows thumbing. Obviously the cut got worse as the fight progressed but the rules are pretty clear on that too. If cut is made worse by legal punches it is still TD6 :!:

 

At what point in life, when you are the only person on the planet that thinks something, that is continually dismissed by everyone - do you start to think "you know what, maybe I've got this one wrong"?

 

Nope, you're still wrong and still have not provided a single link to support you're bogus claims. Sorry my friend but nobody is buying this BS, we've seen it for ourselves dozens of times. You can't rewrite the truth.

 

The doctor did make the right decision...saving Vitali from himself...no way he quits after the Byrd debacle...but similarly, if the fight continued he may have forfeited the rest of his career with permanent injury

I agree with Vitali not having a plan B....this was a brawl...that is what makes it such a good fight....doubt he gets KO'd in the 7th though:bbb

give it up or gtfo....the grownups were having a discussion

has nothing to do with TKO6....regardless, your statement is false

another alt:-((

 

Not one cut! Vitali has several cuts in his face and not thumb there. Legal punches from Lewis caused several cuts!

Where do you saw a brawl? I saw Vitali was good in round 1 and 2. But after he realized he could not knock out Lewis with his punches, he hang on Lewis. After round 3 he tries but not hard, he hang on for dear life.

The brawl was seen by the HBO crew maybe who wants Lewis to loose. At this time the public did not like Lewis and they make more of this fight than the fight was.

The "best" Vitali shows was when the fight was stopped.

If he had a good coach in his corner, this coach would have told him to try to knock Lewis out in round 4. But it was not so easy as Vitali and his so called boxing trainer Sdunek thought. Lewis knows all the tricks and could survive (like Wlad today, because of Emanuel Steward) and Vitali has not the one-punch-power to knock Lennox Lewis out and Vitali has not the boxing skills to outbox Lennox Lewis.