Real Story on Greb-Flowers I & II/

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Just finished The Fearless Harry Greb. According to the information Bill Paxton presents, it sounds as though in the first fight Flowers did not do enough to take the title, but that it was awarded to him largely because of Greb's reputation as a dirty fighter. And for the second fight, it sounds as though Greb won it fairly convincingly.

    Now, I did notice when calling the rounds, Paxton seemed to pick different newspaper accounts and scoring for different rounds. Was this selectivity to put Greb in a better light? Has anyone researched these fights and arrived at any conclusions?

    Still, a worthy read. But I never really heard there was a lot controversy over these fights. Perhaps I was mistaken.
     
  2. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By 1926 old blind Harry Greb was no longer able to make "Sixty" and give any full account of his old self.
    His title loss was described by the Afrocan American Pittsburgh Courier as to close a fight to take Grebs title.
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great book ,about my favourite fighter...By the time Harry Greb fought Tiger Flowers in
    1926, Greb was an old worn out fighter with one eye,and losing sight of the remaining orbit...Two months later Greb with 300 bouts underwent surgery
    and died as a result...He , Greb was like an automobile with 1000,000
    miles, and ripe for the junkyard...And with this said, most boxing writers had Greb winning his last bout with the busy unorthodox southpaw Tiger Flowers...So great was Harry Greb...
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He was worn out but didn't seem to have any problem making the weight. I never realized he had his eye taken out after the second Flowers fight, tho that wasn't the surgery that immediately preceded his death. Let's also not forget his latest car wreck before Flowers I, after which he claimed never to feel the same again. That, of course, was followed by another car wreck and surgery that event required that seems to have been the ultimate cause of his death.

    Another fascinating mention from the book was that Greb supposedly sparred with Jack Johnson. Would love to hear more about that. Wonder if they discussed their love for auto racing.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes Seamus, Jack Johnson sparred with a young Harry Greb,and told the press " Harry Greb was the fightest fighter he ever saw ", as did Jack Dempsey years later when interviewed he said " Greb was the fastest fighter ever, hell he was faster than Benny Leonard " !. A great combination of foot and handspeed, combined with a toughness and iron chin...
    Whoever he fought of note called Greb their greatest opponent...
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Steve Klompton reckons that book is a pile of horse****.

    As a pure read, I found it pretty enjoyable. Enough in there for the 'purist' to consider it a worthwhile read as well IMO.
     
  7. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first Greb-Flowers fight always puzzled me. In that era, it seems odd that a black fighter would get a disputed decision against a highly regarded white fighter. I understand Greb was not favored by the New York media, it just seems that the racism of the time would override that.
     
  9. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I vaguely recall someone mentioning it being them pulling out the race card so to speak. Flowers manager had said beforehand that they were unlikely to get the decision because he was black, and that biased them the other way. Could be horse spit as I don't recall where I read that.
     
  10. Surf-Bat

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    No, you're correct. Walk Miller created an atmosphere of paranoia preceding Greb-Flowers III, a fight in which Greb, by most accounts, should have been given the decision in.
     
  11. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was a close fight. Some felt Flowers didn't do enough to take Greb's title.

    The second fight was a robbery. It was a poor performance by both fighters but most (including William Muldoon and Gene Tunney) felt Greb was robbed. Walk Miller did a great job of swaying pre-fight sympathies in Flowers' favor by proclaiming that there was a fix in the works designed to rob his fighter of the title due to race, which was total hogwash.
     
  12. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Greb faked a drunk act on the eve of the Walker fight and it cost him dearly.
    Datts da story boys!
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    OK, so the Give Him to the Angels book is bull**** AND the Paxton book is bull****?

    That leaves quite a vacuum of information on someone who is arguably the greatest fighter of all time.
     
  14. stonehammerjack

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    If you liked that Burt, John Jarrett (who wrote one of the greatest boxing books I ever read "Gene Tunney; The Golden Guy Who Beat Jack Dempsey Twice".) is coming out in December with a biography of Walker called , "Toy Bulldog: The Fighting Life and Times of Mickey Walker" It comes out Dec 13th and can be pre-ordrered on Amazon
     
  15. Seamus

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    And yeah, the title of the thread should read Greb-Flowers II & III. Greb won the first match.