Why does calzaghes resume get bagged, but roy jones gets a pass?

He got a few offers to fight on undercards, which meant less money, and having to travel. His team agreed to face Hopkins in Vegas in 2002, Hopkins accepted the offer then came back and doubled his demands from $3m to $6m the next day, so that fight didn't go through.

Then he still travelled to America and defeated the number 1 ranked LHW in the world in Hopkins

Jones resume is better than Calzaghe's, but both are open to criticism. Jones would beat everyone on Calzaghe's resume, and I think Joe would beat everyone on Roy Jones' resume except John Ruiz (size difference is too big)

 

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing...he.-a060444934

It's going all right. I'm busy downloading Game of Thrones season 2:good
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I'll let General Zod answer this in more detail, because he's got some great links. The door was open for Joe to go to the U.S. by Lou Di Bella I believe, in and around 99/2000. But there's no doubt, that if he'd have gone to the States sooner than he did, and he'd moved upto 175 sooner than he did, and impressed, I would imagine that he'd have got lots of offers/opportunities for big fights. But he never forced the issue, to the annoyance of Frank W. He said he had a fear of flying (even though he went to the U.S. twice in 2008) and he seemed content to defend his WBO title at home. Like I keep saying, his ambition didn't match his skills.

Regards, Loudon.

 

He was never offered that amount in the first place.

 

I'm fine mate thanks. Things are going ok. I've just joined a gym to lose some weight, because I've got the same physique as John McDermott at the minute.

 

Dibella was interested in matching Calzaghe up with Jones maybe around 2000. What he needed was Calzaghe to fight in America to get some exposure

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BOXIN...;+Collins+must+prove+himself+to...-a060396114

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/1999/01/15/fshead.htm
(link seems to be dead)

It would explain why they gave him a place on the Tito-Oscar undercard, but Calzaghe pulled out

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...zaghe-sights-set-on-winning-over-America.html

Calzage in his own words:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing...he.-a060444934

 

Ok he was offered whatever suits your agenda But we know it was at least as much as $2.5-3m

http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n35/PRSportsBeat0635-en.html

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/dibella-v-hopkins1


I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but if he was offered $10.5 million for 3 fights, you can do the maths there :smooch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3030004.stm

 

Why do people gloss over Calzaghe's shitty resume. He a nice litttle run at the end of his career that saw him gain global recognition, but that was it. Lets look at how it really played out.

.He beat a past it, unprepared Eubank for a vacant, lowly regarded alphabet strap that no one cared about.

.He defended it against bums whilst numerous other fighters picked up the other belts, none of whom he fought.

.Sven Ottke was the other long standing champion racking up defences along side Calzaghe. But Ottke actually had a more highly regarded belt, fought a better level of opposition and was rated higher than Calzaghe for a number of years. Calzaghe fought a lot of Ottke's left overs but never Ottke himself.

.Calzaghe's fights were so **** that he was booted off Skysports because no one was watching his gargabe "World Title" defences.

.After being told to **** off by Skysports Calzaghe and Franky boy had their hand forced, especially as Calzaghe was now in his thirties. So he eventually took on a high profile opponent in a unification fight with Lacy, put on a good performance and got some recognition.

.He then had a good win against Kessler and was finally number in his division ten years after he picked up the WBO belt.

.By this point Hopkins and Jones were both in their forties and losing fights, Hopkins was clearly past his best and Jones completely and utterly shot. This was when Calzaghe miraculously got over his career long fear of flying and went to that States to fight them. Despite winning (luckily against Hopkins) these fights showed why Calzaghe never fought these guys when they were in their primes, especially being dropped by the shell of Roy Jones.

 

Bizarre
Do you really think that Showtime were going to hand the equivalent of half their annual budget to Hopkins for three fights?

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hbo-2008

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2002-07-30-hopkins_x.htm

That 10.5m would of got split between Hopkins, his opponents and the promoters. And that is on the assumption there was ever 10.5m on the table to begin with

 

Whats up KO?:hi:

This is a pretty good post... I agree Calzaghe would not beat Ruiz, I don't think he would be able to drop back in weight and beat a peak motivated Tarver.. I would have also liked to see how Joe would have fared against some of the solid LHW southpaws Jones faced... I read an article that stated Joe didn't fancy other southpaws..

Either way, both are open to criticism I agree.. Jones has the superior resume, but both resumes are good ones.. The thing is, both had the skill i believe to have better resumes. I think Jones could be top 15 or so had he beat Nigel Benn and Dariuz, two very winnable fights, but dangerous ones.

 

He also got dropped by ITV and later on Showtime. Larkin would get sacked and then they would offer him a two fight deal, but it had to be against opponents they rated, like Dawson. Calzaghe turned it down.

 

Didn't Collins have to retire due to health reasons anyway? Something about him collapsing during sparring.

 

Do you understand how offers for fights work?

In discussions when a promoter offers 'x' amount of money, that isn't what goes directly into the fighters bank account, there are fees and other expenses to be paid. What matters though, is by all accounts the offer made was around $3m. Instead Hopkins took less than a million to fight Morrade Hakkar.

This isn't to accuse Hopkins of ducking or avoiding Joe Calzaghe, I'm not saying that. Just pointing out that it was Hopkins fault that the fight didn't happen

 

Collins wanted to fight Jones back in 99, but Dibella said that fight could not happen, because there was no demand for the fight. Dibella wanted Collins to fight Calzaghe on a HBO card and then the winner would fight Jones. Collins would agree to the terms but he would collaspe during sparring for the Calzaghe fight, with his doctor advising him to retire.

Calzaghe would admit he wasn't interested in fighting Jones