Roy Jones Jr vs Jack Dempsey

Jones, Jr. arguably beat a better heavy in Ruiz. I don't think he has a problem here.

 

Interesting . Care to name your top 5 ever h2h below 190lb?

 

What has ESB come to?...In the last year or so a Roy Jones, who when it came to crunch time,was flattened by legitimate LHs,is now thrown into the fantasy threads against
alltime heavyweight monsters as Marciano, now Dempsey, soon Larry Holmes, soon Joe Frazier, soon Milke Tyson, soon Evander Holyfield, soon Jersey Joe Walcott, soon my man
Joe Louis, and waiting in the wings Ali.
Roy Jones would be obliterated at his best weight 168 pounds against any of these guys,as well as LHs Tunney, Charles, Moore, Johnson, Conn, Bob Foster,and a prime Michael Spinks IMO. Fast hands and glitz can take you only so far against these bigger great fighters I mention...Years ago in Roy's prime, even he would not engage in such hyperbole...Roy was a sensational fighter at 168, no doubt, but he would be in deep waters against the heavyweights and top tough LHs I mention above...

 

Get it through your head, Burt - Jones in his prime weighed close to 185 pounds, as did many of his opponents. In terms of height, reach and weight, Jones is about as big as Charles and Moore, who were blown up former middleweights but still did pretty well at "heavyweight" against the likes of Marciano. And get this, Marciano and Dempsey were not real heavyweights - they would be cruiserweights today.

 

burt, unless by glitz you mean tremendous movement, two fisted power and being NEARLY UNTOUCHABLE than you're dismissing jones. i've yet to see an argument that acknowledges jones' talents and then forms an argument as to why he'd lose.

simply saying "jones sucks and dempsey wins" is not going to be enough. i'm not saying dempsey loses BUT some kind of analysis would help...one that treats both jones and dempsey as they truly were, without hyperbole for either man

 

if crunch time is past his best, then dempsey was twice embarassed by tunney during cruch time...and KOd by fireman jim flynn well before crunch time.

 

Dempsey skills are way too primitive, especially against the most talented boxer of all time. Roy wins by early brutal kayo.

 

revisionism, jones was none of that at 175

 

I see an argument for ranking Jones, Jr ahead of Dempsey at heavyweight.

 

Very surprised at the lack of boxing history expertise here. Dempsey in his prime was one of the greatest fighters who ever lived.....right there with Louis and Ali. Great trainers like Arcel who watched Dempsey, Louis and Ali live from ringside felt Dempsey was just as great or a greater fighter. Dempsey also had one punch ko power in either fist. If he hits RJJ with his power shots it's all over. Dempsey was considered quicker than Louis....pretty quick. Pick here is a brutal ko win by Dempsey along the lines of his one punch ko loss to Tarver.

 

But do you rank him above Henry Maske?

 

Was Dempsey out of the ring for 3 years, fighting an alltime great fighter
Gene Tunney FLATTENED as Roy Jones was the last few fights ? The strong young PRIME Jack Sharkey would have murdered the 168 or so peak Roy Jones...No one was greater than the best fighter I ever saw Ray Robinson
who could have fattened up to 165 pounds and challenged the top LHs as Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Harold Johnson spotting them about 10 pounds, but Ray knew better to do that as his main forte was amazing fast hand combinations and movement...Roy Jones had everything a great fighter needed except a great chin ,and events proved that later on his career...look at a Harry Greb with 300 bouts and shopworn and half blind NO ONE kod him in his last 280 or so bouts against much larger men...Look at Ray Robinson in his later years, losing his fabulous combination power
but to the BITTER END no ONE could knock him out...For his weight Roy Jones was tremendous against average LHs of his time, but when he slowed down somewhat as happened to a Greb or Robinson his chin
proved his undoing...What makes you think that Roy Jones could absorb the raw battering of a Marciano, a Dempsey, a Louis, a Tyson nor a Frazier
much, much stronger and TOUGHER,spotting these guys many pounds ???
I have posted this before without a response, but just as a Floyd Mayweather at his best P4P a better fighter than the MW Dick Tiger,
would eventually be stopped by Tiger, so would a Roy Jones eventually succumb to the onslaught of the sedgehammer blows Rocky Marciano would
without cease bombard Roy with and hurt Roy badly...
P.S. No one had more class than Willie Pep, who had about FOUR times more fights than RJ did...But not ONCE did Willie think of challenging
a bigger LW Ike Williams for a bout that would have reaped Pep tons of money...He and the tough FW Sandy Saddler knew their limitations and never challenged the stronger LW Ike Williams, and I suspect Roy Jones
were he at his best as a jr Lightheavy [168 lbs] during Marciano's reign
would have refrained from challenging the power and inhuman stamina of
Rocky Marciano...Roy was and IS a very perceptive guy as shown on his
analysis on HBO fights...At his best he was awesome against the calibre of guys he fought, no doubt, but he had his achilles heel , his chin...

 

It's nice to know I can depend on the Classicists to provide unequal standards of judgement to pamper their precious era's.

So, Roy's chin is his great achilles heel? Roy was 35 the first time he was KO'd, an age at which Dempsey and Marciano were kicking up their heels and counting their dough. Also at that time, Roy had been considered the best fighter in the sport pound for pound for a decade, something Dempsey and Marciano were not considered by anyone without a monetary stake in their careers. Hell, Dempsey wasn't even the best in his division for the better part of his reign.

Dempsey's crude footwork, gaping wide openings (especially for Roy's beloved lead right) and propensity to lose focus would be his undoing here. He had a sturdy beard so I reckon it would be Flip Homansky with the mercy stoppage between the 9th and 10th.

 

You think Roy would've stopped more foes by 'early brutal kayo'. I say if he lets Dempsey tee off on his guard like he did Bryant Brannon he's in trouble.

 

Brannon kayos Dempsey.