Who is Greater between Holmes or Marciano?

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Just wondering who you have ranked higher ATG wise at heavyweight? I see a lot with both as Top 5 guys, just curious as to who ranks over who for you personally. :smoke
     
  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I go with Holmes, similar record, better boxer.
     
  3. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    Marciano is overrated. Maybe, you put him in the Top 10, maybe.

    Holmes is underrated.

    Ask yourself this... if Holmes fought Rocky's competition, does he go undefeated too? I say yes. In fact, I say yes to many great HW's - Ali, Frazier, Holyfield, Liston, Foreman, Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, etc., etc..

    It's not Rocky's fault, he fought the best that was available. But the fact is that he fought light heavyweights and never fought a great, true heavyweight.
     
  4. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Marciano.

    No avoidance, rematches, cleaned out his era.
     
  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Good post, besides the Rock being overrated, which I disagee with.
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I currently rate Marciano at #3 behind Louis and Ali, but have Holmes right at #4. My reasoning is that Marciano defended his title against the #1 and #2 contenders regularly, never dodged a defense and ultimately retired undefeated. He also has multiple wins over hall of famers and for whatever its worth, has the highest KO ratio of any heavyweight ( not a fair comparison when contrasting him to a boxer, but still. )

    On the flip side, I can see other people's arguments in support of Holmes. While he never reached 49-0, he had something like 19 title fights as opposed to Marciano's 7. He fought well into old age and defeated a lot of talented men in their primes. Both men have great legacies, but at the moment, I have the rock at 3 and Holmes at 4..
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Holmes arguably has the greater depth, but because of this, I go with Rocky.
     
  8. devon

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    Marciano has a better resume than Holmes imo but Holmes is more skilled than Marciano.
    Its pretty much a toss up but I give the edge to Marciano.
     
  9. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Holmes is my number three for a long time. But, after one and two, I understand it goes from a little subjective to extremely subjective. I can see an argument for Marciano, Lewis, Frazier, Foreman, etc, all being in that same spot.
     
  10. FastHands(beeb)

    FastHands(beeb) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Succintly put, spot on.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Toss a coin. I like Marciano currently.
     
  12. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano will ALWAYS get the better press from the reporters, but Holmes was the superior fighter on the whole.... IMO....

    MR.BILL
     
  13. Flea Man

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    I'm down on Larry recently. But I have The Rock at no.8/9 so Larry can be 6/7.
     
  14. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marciano managed 49-0, Holmes failed.
     
  15. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes fought bigger and stronger dude's than Marciano ever did.....:deal

    MR.BILL:bbb