Someone explain this. There are hundreds of Eastern European boxers fighting 140-175

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Skittlez, Oct 2, 2012.


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  1. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The logic you endorse can be applied to Cold War era pro boxing. You can just as easily state that the 50's,60's,70's,and 80's fighters were not true world champs, since half of Europe was not allowed to fight... :tong

    When the wolf's away (eastern euro), the sheep will play (ali,foreman,fraizer)... :nut

    Or will you're cultural bias force you to dismiss this last statement? Even though it follows you're own logic? :think
     
    VanillaKilla, Oct 2, 2012
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  2. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    HW division is crap, 140-175 is packed with P4Pers. Option #1 seems viable.
     
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  3. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    MW division was considered crap when Bhop dominated it....

    What makes it good now? JCC jr was wbc champ for ****s sake :lol:
     
    VanillaKilla, Oct 2, 2012
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  4. kirk

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    4 of the top 10 Middleweights are from Kazakhstan, Russia, Germany, and Poland.
    North America? (USA, Mexico, Canada) has a whopping 2

    4 of the top 10 Light heavies are from Germany, Denmark, and Kazakhstan
    North America? 3
    *Which makes this stat even worse is considering the US alone (wont even touch canada and mexico) has more people then all three of these countries combined lol)

    4 of the top 10 cruisers are from Germany, Russia, and Poland.
    North America can claim 2

    and of course almost the entire top 10 at heavyweights are easter euroes.

    Not quite sure how that can be considered a poor showing in such a global sport.
     
    kirk, Oct 2, 2012
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  5. Skittlez

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    Germany and Denmark are Eastern European Countries now?
    :think
     
    Skittlez, Oct 2, 2012
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  6. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gutknecht is from Kazakstan.... Huck is Serbian, Sturm is Bosnian ect...

    The majority of Top German boxers are from Eastern Europe

    Btw East Germany was considered Eastern Europe during the Cold War
     
    VanillaKilla, Oct 2, 2012
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  7. kirk

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    eh, true.

    my bad, figured you were having a go at euopeans in general.... didnt really think to narrow my selections to fit a strict eastern block.

    Fair enough.
     
    kirk, Oct 2, 2012
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  8. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    cultural bias? that's bull****.

    if the cold war era somehow hid some huge influx of dominant heavyweight pro boxers, where were they during the early the 90's and early 2000's? I mean, where were the guillermo rigondeaux's of eastern european heavyweight boxing?
     
    m8te, Oct 2, 2012
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  9. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol, the sure showed Ali, Foreman and Frazier in the Olympics, didn't they? :yep
     
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  10. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    :rofl
     
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  11. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do not change the subject of debate...

    You stated that E euro's dominate because the HW division is not deep in USA now.....

    I similarly applied you're logic by stating that Cold War US dominated because the HW division was NON EXISTENT in WarsawPact/USSR

    My statement was meant to show the flaw in you're logic.

    Kostya Tsyzu = a much better version of Guillermo Rigondeaux

    I ask you... Were are these mythical US HW's of the Cold War hiding now? Have they just vanished? :lol::lol::lol: Or is it that their success had more to do with their individual attributes then the fact that they are American?
     
    VanillaKilla, Oct 2, 2012
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  12. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis dominated both US and EE in that era
     
    VanillaKilla, Oct 2, 2012
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  13. stanislove12

    stanislove12 Active Member Full Member

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    eastern europeans weren't the only ones not participating... cubans weren't really part of the mix either
     
    stanislove12, Oct 2, 2012
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  14. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    why is everyone so stuck on race and nationality? Who cares where a fighter is from as long as he brings excitement!
     
    JAB5239, Oct 2, 2012
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  15. Midwest_Chopper

    Midwest_Chopper Shalom Full Member

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    Eastern europe dominance of boxing is the biggest myth ever permeated in boxing.

    Slick Black and Mexican tuff will always dominate.
     
    Midwest_Chopper, Oct 2, 2012
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