Top 10 head to head under 190lb all time?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by SuzieQ49, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2005
    Messages:
    37,088
    Likes Received:
    3,776
    Here is my list, please provide the year.

    Guidelines: THEY MUST HAVE CONSISTENTLY WEIGHED BELOW 190LB EITHER DURING THERE CAREER OR DURING A 3 YEAR SPAN FOR THEM TO BE RANKED.



    1. Rocky Marciano- 1951
    This content is protected


    2. Jack Dempsey- 1919

    This content is protected


    3. Ezzard Charles- 1948
    This content is protected


    4. Floyd Patterson- 1956
    This content is protected


    5. Roy Jones- 1999
    This content is protected


    6. Sam Langford- 1910
    This content is protected


    7. Michael Spinks 1982
    This content is protected


    8. Gene Tunney- 1924
    This content is protected


    9. Archie Moore 1952
    This content is protected


    10. Billy Conn 1941
    This content is protected
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2005
    Messages:
    37,088
    Likes Received:
    3,776
    HM:



    This content is protected
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    82,092
    Likes Received:
    22,234
    Rocky
    Jones
    Tunney
    Holyfield
    Dempsey
    Charles
    Conn
    Patterson
    Moore
    Foster

    Not seen enough of langford, greb or fitz to list them.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,975
    Likes Received:
    27,961
    It is a good list apart from the fact that Roy Jones is on it.

    He simply dosn't belong in the same company as the other people on the list.

    I also don't see how Sam Langford can be ranked any lower than #3.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    82,092
    Likes Received:
    22,234
    Such a ridiculous comment about Jones.

    I've not seen enough of langford to rate him as a h2h force below 190.
     
  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    9,372
    Likes Received:
    473
    Jim Corbett shouldnt be forgotten.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2007
    Messages:
    114,673
    Likes Received:
    51,482
    So, so difficult.

    Just using your list Q.

    I'm happy with Rocky at #1. I think I might pick Dempsey to beat Rocky (I know you disagree strongly) but I believe that Rocky would do better versus the wider field anyway.

    Demspey at 2 is OK.

    I agree with Janitor that Langford fits nicely at 3.

    Charles above Patterson? OK. After that...Jesus man, interchageable, sorry for the cop out. Greb and Fitz anyone?
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,975
    Likes Received:
    27,961
     
  9. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2005
    Messages:
    3,925
    Likes Received:
    21
    What is the minimum, because I'm gonna start throwing Duran, Robinson and Armstrong in there.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2004
    Messages:
    23,763
    Likes Received:
    2,330
    I know I am Missing a few here but



    1. Rocky Marciano- 1951
    This content is protected


    2. Jack Dempsey- 1919

    This content is protected


    3. Ezzard Charles- 1948
    This content is protected








    4. Sam Langford- 1910
    This content is protected











    5. Gene Tunney- 1924
    This content is protected


    6. Archie Moore 1952
    This content is protected


    7. Billy Conn 1941
    This content is protected
    [/quote]

    eight) Michael Spinks

    9) Floyd Patterson

    10) Harold Johnson -Greb
     
  11. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2012
    Messages:
    9,408
    Likes Received:
    49
    Suzie Q,,


    That is some impressive list,,,,,,,can't imagine anyone in that 'round robin'
    tournament coming out undefeated.
     
  12. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2011
    Messages:
    10,036
    Likes Received:
    2,845
    1. Marciano - 1951
    2. Johnson - 1904
    3. Dempsey - 1919
    4. Holyfield - 1988
    5. Tunney - 1924
    6. Langford - 1910
    7. Patterson - 1956
    8. Charles - 1948
    9. Jones Jr - 2000
    10. Spinks - 1982
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Messages:
    42,723
    Likes Received:
    275
    To a degree it depends on same day weigh ins or 24 hour weigh ins, but mine is:

    1. RJJ
    2. Holyfield
    3. Marciano
    4. Patterson
    5. Charles
    6. Haye
    7.Tunney
    8. Moore
    9.Dempsey
    10. Spinks

    Johnson @ 185lb doesn't have footage, Langford doesn't have significant footage either, both may make the list but without footage I won't judge. The same applies for Harry Greb

    Probably because you didn't/don't follow or watch boxing at the time, now or ever
     
  14. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2011
    Messages:
    10,036
    Likes Received:
    2,845
    There are a lot of posts of yours that I don't agree with PP, however I like the way you keep your views so consistently in evey thread and don't make exceptions for fighters you may favour. Having already seen Johnson film and the fact that most if not all sources suggest Langford was easy work for Johnson. I know this wasn't the best version of langford, but to do it in such emphatic fashion suggests he was more than a force to be reckoned with under 190 and I can't see anyone matching him for strength under 190 lbs.

    Greb on the other hand is a mystery to almost everyone. We've seen how good Tunney looked on film as a boxer, but the fact he was able to get the better of him, justifies many to think highly of Greb, but considering we have seen no footage of Greb fighting, I feel he gets slightly overrated on this forum.

    Oh and btw, pretty good list :good
     
  15. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    4,432
    Likes Received:
    33