Enzo Calzaghe: Ward's trainer must be punch drunk

You think sven ottke was a good fighter. your opinion blows be quiet

 

joe calzaghe is The only one in history to become Undisputed super middleweight champion he has had 24 championship fights has 3 ATGs on his resume
Roy Jones Jr
Chris Eubank
Bernard Hopkins

Beat 3 Undefeated Fighters who were or became SMW champions

mikkel kessler 40-0 world champion
Mario Veit 30-0
jeff lacy 21-0 world champion



joe calzaghe beat 10 world champions 9 of them smw (Veit had world interim title)

Chris Eubank, was a 2 weight champion and had 24 world tltle fights

Richie Woodhall had 6 world tltle fights

Roy Jones Jr was a 4 weight champion and had 25 world tltle fights

Charles Brewer had 7 world tltle fights

Bernard Hopkins, arguably the best middleweight of all time he has 25 world tltle fights

Mikkel Kessler, has 11 world tltle fights 3 x world champion

Robin Reid had 8 world tltle fights looked unlucky to Ottke by many

Byron Mitchell had 8 world tltle fights 2 x smw champion looked unlucky to Ottke by many

Jeff Lacy had 6 world tltle fights

when has Ward beat someone with over 20 championship fights?......

calzaghe beat 3 guy with over 24 championship fights

NAME 1 ATG Ward FOUGHT?........

JOE CALZAGHE IS 1 OUT OF ONLY 3 BOXERS IN HISTORY TO BE UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED WORLD CHAMPION


JOE CALZAGHE IS 1 OUT OF 4 MEN IN HISTORY TO HAVE OVER 20 TITLE DEFENCES

JOE CALZAGHE IS THE SECOND LONGEST-REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION IN HISTORY?.....


WHEN Andre Wards RESUME MATCH THAT LET ME KNOW



I took alot of this post from another poster who did most of the work. A fantastic post that I dont deserve the credit for

 

Funny thing is that you couldnt counter a single point.
Even more amusing is that you are trying to big up Wards shallow resume to Calzaghes excellent SMW resume when Wards isnt even close to Ottkes.

1. It was only Ottkes 13th fight when he won a world title

Consider how A Ward is raved about. Ward has had 26 fights, by this time Ottke had made 13 defences.
Johnson only lost to Froch by Mdec when old and shot and a SMW journeyman, and that was considered a big win going into the S6 finals, but Ottke beat Johnson at SMW back in 99.

2. Ottke made 21 title defences and was a winner of 22 world title fights

Consider how Hopkins MW reign is thought to be special yet Ottke had more SMW title victories than Hopkins had MW victories and overall fought better opposition

3. Ottkes reign was impressive when you consider he wasnt a puncher and didnt have an equalizer in his fists.

Look at who Ottke with feather fists beat

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the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice

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who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ

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who went on to become the WBA LHW champ

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who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ

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the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ

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the former WBC SMW champ and still world class

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the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)

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world class who went on to become European champ

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world class who went on to become European champ

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Hope you enjoyed this.

Ottkes resume issWards

 

Explain?

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Calzaghe beat 3 undefeated fighters who had or went on to claim a SMW title.

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1. Someone tell me which top undefeated fighters Ward has beaten?
2. Tell me which top undefeated world champs Ward has fought?


Lets read the answers
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Andre Ward............VS.............Joe Calzaghe
Froch.....................................Kessler

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(Kessler beat Froch)
Kessler...................................Eubank

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Dawson..................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Dawson no pedigree at all at SMW)

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Abraham.................................Mitchell (Mitchell a 2 time SMW champ who had never been clearly beaten, only lost by debateable SD in Germany to Ottke, had KOd long time SMW champ Liles, beaten a future SMW champ twice, compared to AA who had done nothing at SMW)

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Bika.......................................Brewer (Bikas best win became Manfredo, Brewer had beaten H Graham and was a SMW champ)

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(Bika was a Calzaghe left over at that time and had been out of the ring bar less than a round for a while)
Green.....................................Woodhall (Woodhall a SMW champ, who had beaten a reigning SMW champ, a world rated former champ, a future SMW champ and Branco a world rated SMW who became WBA LHW champ, who at SMW beat R Reid and G Johnson who when old and shot KOd Green)

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Miranda...................................Bika (Bika now a top 5 SMW had drawn with 3 time SMW champ Beyer)

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Buchanan (?????)......................Sheika

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(Sheika was coming off a win over G Johnson and was a top 10 SMW at the time)
Camou (?????)..........................Veit (Veit a SMW title holder who had a fair resume, better than at least 2 of the current top 5 SMWs)

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Then include the

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win and then the other top 10 SMWs and its clear Calzaghe is well ahead. I could have put

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ahead of Green, Camou, Miranda, Buchanon

Very clear but nobody will have a sensible answer to say otherwise, it will just be a lame Faileys losing it answer when they cant debate against

Somebody tell me how Ward has done more than that.



Nobody can counter the above or answer the questions. In fact they hide from the questions

 

I dont wanna counter your weak ass cut n paste argument. Didnt even bother to read it. noone likes you. go away

 

That has to be arguably the most weakest pathetic post ever.
Just admit you couldnt counter one single point and go on as ESBs biggest unknown wannabe

 

It amuses me when people take potshots at bailey and run like cowards, of the few that criticise his posts, none actually have the nerve to try and counter the points made. I wonder why?

 

Thats something I've noticed in my short time here, the Team Elite dudes seem very dominant in debate. Have you guys ever lost a debate?

 

No never.

Team Elite are a very dominant force, where you have to have proven pedigree in pwning minions.

Well done for awareness in noticing how these minions hide at the very site of a Team Elite poster on a thread.
I can see a bright future for you here on ESB :good

 

You are so full of ****, unfortunately your word does not count as evidence as you have 0 credibility.

 

Thanks pal, I was talking to one of your generals the other night, went by the name of GlassJawsExists, and he was in incredible form, completely dominating debate, thrashing minions with both superior wit and superior intelligence. He mentioned that one of the problems with being a Team Elite general is that everything you guys do comes with massive exposure and as a result minions come from all over trying to catapult themselves in ESB superstardom just through association with you guys, desperate for a slice of that Team Elite pie.

 

Thats true.
Loudon thinks his opinion is the fact and you can show him links video evidence and quotes and he still thinks that if he says, yeah but I think, it over rules facts on video evidence

 

Very true.
GlassJawsExist is a truly exceptional poster that we can all learn so much from.
His poetic writing is a thing to behold.
Hes an excellent analysist

 

Fantastic analysis, that's ESB summed up in that one post. What a stunning start to your ESB career Electric Guru, you've demonstrated fantastic potential

 

failey doesn't watch boxing, he just refreshes boxrec on fight night