Well, it say's Im from Dublin, Ireland under my avatar, so.. Point is, Canada's best boxers aren't actually Canadian.. including McLarnin.
Over your way, in Canada or America, you are multi-cultured, a way where people differentiate them selves is by there heritage.. so even if McLarnin was born in Canada, he would of still called himself Irish.. like Bobby Gunn, Logan McGuinness and there was another middleweight a few years ago, cant remember his name. Point is, Jimmy McLarnin was Irish.. regardless of what you Canadians think. He never represented Canada. Sure he left Canada when he was 15 and spent the rest of his life in America.. Born in Ireland died in America.
Do the Klitschko's call themselves German? They spent their pro carrers there, live there and both speak German.. but are they German? No.
So.....that means you don't get it..... Dude no one in Canada is "actually" Candian....its a nation of immigrants....we look at citizenship different then you guys. Sorry, we can talk until we're both blue in the face. But I know how this goes. Canadians have a different view on these things then Europeans do. Not much I say can change your mind. Not much you say can change mine. So we'll have to agree to disagree....in the meantime **** off and go tell some other country how to define their citizenship criteria.
No one is denying that he was Irish in terms of heritage. But he was Canadian in terms of upgringing, because that was where he was raised. It's where he began his career, so there is connection there. The two aren't mutually exclusive, McGuinty- at least not according to the Canadian mindset.
Hahahaha do you think logan McGinnus cheers for Ireland over Canada? Or would want to see Ireland prosper at Canada's expense.....or really gives that much of a **** about the country of ireland? The fact that he has irish heritage is just part of who he is...nothing more nothing less. I'd bet when he travels abroad and people ask him where he's from he doesn't say I'm from Canada but I'm really Irish. What do you think wise guy?
If you define Canadian as someone who was born on Canadian soil, then George Dixon, Sam Langford, Mysterious Billy Smith, Lou Broullaid, Johnny Coulon and Tommy Burns qualify. They were born here, so therefore must be considered Canadian. If you define Canadian in terms of citizenship, or fighting one's whole career out of a Canadian city, then Bute and Pascal are most certainly Canadian, too. Pascal may not have come here of his own free will, but he's chosen to stay in Quebec and identifies as Canadian. Bute also gained citizenship here, too. As O-Money said, we're looking at two different views, which reflect the differce between the two nations. And as O-Money said, we're all just gonna have to agree to disagree on this, 'cause we're clearly not going to change one another's minds regarding this topic.
No, what that means is that I know that McLarnin is Irish. All you have to do is look at his birth cert. the fact that you rely on immigrants citizenship because you have no quality boxers actually from Canada is pathetic. Yes, Canada is multi-cultured, which means McLarnin (if he was born in Canada) would use his Irish heritage to define himself. But he didn't have to.. he is from Ireland.. thats how he defined himself in Canada.. untill he was 15, then he defined himself as an Irishman in America, not Canadian. Watch "Babyface goes to Hollywood". He never considered himself Canadian. The fact you try to claim fighters from other countries as your own is pathetic.
Thats were he was brought up untill he was 15.. then he spent the rest of his life in America. By your logic, the Americans have as much right to call him American. He spent 12 years in Canada.. how does that make him Canadian? He spent 81 years of his life in America. He had his first 2 pro fights in Canada but never fought there again. And Im not makin the point about his Irish heritage, Im makin the point that he is Irish. His blood is Irish, his family is Irish, his birth cert say's he's Irish.. he himself called him self Irish. The world knows him as Irish. Nearly all of his nicknames are refferenced to Ireland. I would say the only thing Canadian about him was his accent, but he didn't even have a Canadian accent. Bobby Gunn and Logan McGuinness both born and raised in Canada but call themselves Irish. But are they? They're both Canadian citizens but define themselves by callin themselves Irish. Clingin on to hope man.
Fact: McLarnin grew up in Canada from the time he was 3 Fact: McLarnin learned how to box in Canada from Canadian trainers in Canadian boxing gyms after getting in fist fights on Canadian streets. Fact: McLarnin had his first pro fights in his hometown of Vancouver, BC, Canada. Lennox, Bute, Pascal- these guys are Canadian citiziens but they ain't Canadian. Jimmy McLarnin was a Canadian. He often returned after he left to find success in pro boxing and his parents lived in Vancouver. If you learn to fight somewhere, lived in that place longer than anywhere else, grew up there from the time you were 3..... then you're indetified as being from there. For example Paulie Malignaggi is considered an American not an Italian.
Well according to him, he's Irish. He made his pro debut over here and has fought here a couple of times. But my point was that you said Canada is multi cultured, which it is, which is why citizenship is important (which really doesnt make sense, if you live in a multi cultured country you would define yourself through your heritage and not your citizenship which is what McGuinness does) but it's not. Why would McLarnin call himself Canadian? When he doesnt just have Irish heritage but is actually from Ireland... wiseguy
Jimmy McLarnin spent 12 years of his life in Canada and 81 in America.. His naturall talent was spotted by a trainer who trained him. Natural talent.. something that came from his genes. He fought his first two fights in Canada and never fought there again. He spent the rest of his life in America. Jimmy McLarnin: Born Co. Down, Northern Ireland Died Washington, USA, buried in California, USA. Now they're facts. Malignaggi defines himself as Italian, not American. Hard luck.
But McLarnin does not fall into either of your definitions of a Canadian. McLarnin never called himself Canadian.. he recognised himself as Irish (Babyface goes to Hollywood) the world recognise him as Irish. Pascal and Bute might consider themselves Canadian but McLarnin didn't. That's the truth. Agree to disagree? Your claiming someone from another country to be Canadian because he lived there for 12 years? He spent 81 years in America.. explain that. Ive a mate in Austrailia who's been there for 6 years but he's not Austrailian.
Like I said, we can go until we're blue in the face......and btw citizenship is EXTREMELY important if you live in a multicultural society because it means that you've made a choice to define your self as a member of that country. How you don't get that is beyond me. Spend sometime in Canada then we'll talk.....
Then by your logic, Pascal's Canadian. He identifies as being Quebecois, and has fought out of Canada throughout his entire professional career. He's had the opportunity to relocate, but has not chosen to do so. That counts as Canadian according to your definition of the term. And in the general sense, multi-cultural societies tend to acknowledge their heritage while at the same time acknowledging affiliation with their adopted home. Pascal, in particular, is a perfect example of that.