Canadian Boxing

I see you have an agenda here so lets exclude McLarnin who would be our 2nd greatest fighter ever. Canada's best are definetly Canadian, maybe not the current crop but:

Tommy Burns (coulda been an ATG MW or LHW and beat ATG's at those weights but was good enough to win the HW title and fought there for bigger purses)
George Dixon (first black champion- ATG LW)
Sam Langford (among top 5 fighters that ever lived)
George Godfrey (former world colored HW champ, likely would have been reg world champ if colored line wasn't drawn)
George Chuvalo
Yvon Durrelle
Arturo Gatti
Steve Molitor
The Hilton Brothers
Eric Lucas



and right now we have some good prospects:

Pier-Olivier Côté
Mikael Zewski
Logan McGuinness
David Lemieux
Antonin Decarie

also our boxing programs have been good enough to attract the likes of many great fighters who are willing to represent us such as:

Lennox Lewis, Pascal, Bute, Diaconu, Berbick, Ruddock, the Grant brothers and more.....

I see your location is Ireland which has a rich history in boxing but when you run down the comparisons to Canadas we really have had the better fighters I'm afraid.

 

Daniel Day-Lewis has Irish citizenship but still considers himself English. Explain America then.. they define themselves through their heritage. In America, Canada, Austrailia and England. Jimmy McLarnin spent 12 years in Canada and 81 years in America. He never returned to Canada after his second fight and never considered/called himself Canadian. I'll refer you to his doc "Babyface goes to Hollywood". The only people that consider him Canadian are Canadians.. which is a bit pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Pascal maybe but where does McLarnin fall in there? These are your definitions. McLarnin had 2 fights in Canada and then spent the rest of his life in America, and always considered himself Irish not Canadian.. because he was Irish.

 

Oh and next were gonna here how David Haye and Amir Khan are REAL English fighters. FACT: UK has no top talent today other then Ricky Hatton a real English man.

 

Then I'll concede that it's probably best to refer to McLarnin was being and Irish fighter who happened to be a Canadian citizen, and who never saw fit to renounce that citizenship even after relocating to the U.S.

Lou Brouillaird, who was Canadian, had his number in any event.

 

But he wasn't.. how was he Canadian?

He left Canada as soon as he turned pro.. like McLarnin, and never returned. Both moved with there families, basicly had no choice but when the choice was theirs, they left.. never to return.

I strongly disagree with that, man. When you look at Irish fighters throughout history, there is no comparison. Dont be ridiculous.

Gatti? Italian.
Molitor just got slapped around the ring by Carl Frampton.
Chuvalo never won a world belt.
The Hiltons? Dont make laugh pal.
Durelle? Again, dont make me laugh.
I think your just namin Canadian fighters.

Lemuex? He was a hypejob that got found out.
McGuinness isn't worth a wank.
And to be honest I dont know much about the rest but they've got real Canadian names, dont they?

 

But he had Irish citizenship too.. and American. The fact he was born in Ireland and refered to himself as Irish means he was Irish. If I had Irish and Canadian citizenship, I'd still be Irish, just with dual citizenship.

 

every single fighter who was listed here even if they were born in Canada, they aren't real Canadians. They ant natives, they come from other parts of the world.
I was born in Canada, does that make me full blood Canadian? Nope, I'm Polish.

 

You seem to have a one track mind....I'm not really sure how you seem to think that someone has to define themselves as one thing or another....my appologies we have a little more experience with these things than you europeans do. Which is why I'm telling you, you are never going to get it. As far as McLarnin goes it is totally possible for him to consider himself Irish and still be Canadian....it is possible to have more then one allegiance...I'm cool with it. Apparently you're not. Not really sure why. Maybe you're a greedy individual. What I do know is that he grew up in Canada, learned how to box in Canada and had Canadian citizenship. Now the fact that you seem to want to believe some film produced by the IRISH FILM INSTITUTE is nice...but buddy the fact that it's done threw a european lens, with a european understanding of citizenship doesn't mean much to me. And I'm sorry but it probably isn't the be all and end all of this debate.

 

It's actually pretty close.

Even transferring McLarnin over to Ireland, going division by division between the two you could come up with some really good, competitive fights between the all time best fighters from Ireland and the all time best from Canada.

 

That was produced by ESPN pal. No, what bothers me is that you Canadians are tryin to claim an Irish fighter as one of your own. He also had American citizenship along with Irish citizenship too. How does that mean he's Canadian? Grew up in Canada? Untill he was 15 and the spent the rest of his life in America. Because he learned to box in Canada (two years before he left the country for good) makes him Canadian? Born in Ireland, died in America. Always considered himself Irish in Canada and America, not American or Canadian but Irish. And that documentary, had actuall interviews with McLarnin in his later days and never once said he was Canadian but he did say he was Irish.. and you still call him Canadian? Holdin on for dear life, aren't ye?

 

He was never Canadian.. what do you mean "transferring him over"??

Im not doubting Canada has produced some good fighters but Irish born fighters, we have produced better and if you want to take into account the fighters born to Irish parents (seeing as you claim any fighter that sets foot in Canada), then you dont come close.

 

I'm not holding on to anything. It means he's a Canadian citizen, and Irish Citizen and an American Citizen. I never said he wasn't more then one thing. **** it's like talking to a brick ****ing wall with youatsch

 

He's all three but he's an Irishman. Not Canadian. Thats the point Ive been makin the whole time, a point you have been arguing with. And Im like talkin to a brick wall? You, who've finally agreed with me but before you continued to argue with me? Pot and Kettle here mate.

 

Dude you need to get out more. You're acting kinda pathetic.