Canadian Boxing

As pathetic as Canadians claiming fighters from other countries? Yeah man, Im pathetic. And did you see the other three lads (Canadians) arguing with me? Im the only pathetic one here..? Hard luck pal.

 

I dunno, man.

McLarnin is more than likely the best fighter Ireland has produced, and he had to go to Canada to begin the task of refining that natural Irish talent of his.

OK...enough of the trolling. Let's compare the best fighters born on Canadian soil versus the best born on Irish soil. For the purpose of this debate, let's eliminate the idea of citizenship from the definition and define nationality strictly as where one was born.

Even then, Canada holds its own against Ireland, going division by division- at least in a historical sense. Sam Langford, George Dixon, Tommy Burns, Lou Broullaird, and Jack Delaney are in the IBHOF. Broullaird already defeated prime McLarnin when he was fighting at WW in the early years of his career. Beat the hell out of him, too, according to the reports. Langford certainly ranks higher than Jimmy on AT lists, and Dixon should probably be ranked right around the same level as the Belfast Spider because of his dominance as a champion during the 1890's

So, arguably the best fighter born on Irish soil would still be the third best fighter on a list of all time Canadian fighters- if we simply define nationality as being where you were born. And going division by division, and pitting the best fighters each country has produced, I think Canada and Ireland are pretty evenly matched, and that we Canucks take our share of the contests.

 

What does their names and heritage have to do with it? If you were raised in Canada you're Canadian, it's a simple as that. Canada is a relatively new country so of course it's full of people with British, Irish, Polish, Ukrainian etc...backgrounds but if you're born here or raised here from the time you were a child you are a Canadian despite your last names origin. Humanity didn't start in Ireland either, Ireland is full of people of Roman decent. If you trace Mcguigans background far enough back you get immigrant as well. Unless your African you cannot use your logic to defend anywhere.

Molitor is a 2 time world champion who is shot to absolute **** and was talking retirement before the Frampton fight you know not. He was quoted as not havign his heart in the sport anymore and in the pre fight interview he said he was looking forward to being able to not work so hard and sit back and have a case of beer. Come back and talk **** when Frampton wins a title and defends 6 times before losing then regains it 2 fights later until then Frampton ain't **** in comparison.

If you don't know who Yvon Durrelle is you don't know much about old school boxing.

How about refuting Langford, Dixon, Godfrey, Burns??? Nothing Ireland has ever had even remotely compares to this list of legit ATG's! Keep talking ****, our country shits all over yours in boxing.

Gatti was Canadian, raised, learned how to box there and identified himself as Canadian til the day he died. Montreal is still where his while family lives. You're trying hard but you're failing miserably.

 

No, he's all three and he's all three. And just because he says he's irish doesn't mean he things of himself as irish the sameway you do. Do you think that Irish Micky Ward is an Irishman. Or Logan McGinnis tooatsch Do you think they mean the same thing that you do when you say your an irishmen? Are they irish cause they say they're Irish???? Are they not Canadian cause they say their Irish? I can 100% understand why you don't get how this works but what you can do is stop acting like you know what you're talking about. We're not going to agree on this one because you're not going to get it....same as you didn't at the starting of this conversation.

 

He is, but to say he had to go to Canada to realise it is petty. He was 3 years old mate.

IBHOF: Barry McGuigan, Dan Donnelly, John Morrissey, Tom Sharkey, Jack Dempsey (Nonpareil), Jimmy McLarnin and Jack McAuliffe.

Boxrec have McLarnin ranked the second best welterweight of all time with Broullaird not coming anywhere close to that. The Ring have him as the fifth best welterweight of all time.

Just a few fighters (World Champions): Wayne McCullogh, Barry McGuigan, Mike McTigue, Jimmy McLarnin, Steve Collins, Jack McAuliffe, Jack Dempsey (Nonpareil), Rinty Monaghan, Dave 'Boy' McAuley, Eamonn Loughran, Tom Sharkey and Paddy Ryan.

 

Kind of disheartening that some troll just managed to come in here and ruin a perfectly decent thread. :verysad

 

****'em I had a great time calling him a moron Thanks for the laughs moron:good Go watch another DVD and then try to tell me how it is why don't ya....

 

That's not how nationallity works mate. And the Romans never got to Ireland either.. so.. And heritage plays a huge part in peoples national identity. If your raised in Canada your Canadian? Please, man, just stop right there.

Of course people say Molitor was shot. Thats just typical. And Molitor was quoated in saying if he lost to Frampton he would retire, as in, Frampton was a 14-0 novice and that he shouldn't lose to him. The same way Ali said he would kiss Joe Fraziers feet if he beat him. Frampton would of beaten Molitor anyday of the week. He's too strong for him and is a better boxer than he could of ever been. And dont you worry, Frampton will.. that was only his 15th fight.

Gatti was born in Italy and went pro in America. He died in Brazil where he was living with his Brazilian wife. He wore the Blue of Italy. Sure he had Canadian Citizenship but he was an Italian man. Just because you live in a country and learn to box in a country does not mean you are from that country.

Sharkey, McAuliffe, (Nonpareil) Dempsey, McTigue, McGuigan, McCullogh.. etc.? "our country shits all over yours in boxing"?? Your an idiot mate.. Im tryin hard? "Nothing Ireland has ever had even remotely compares to this list of legit ATG's! Keep talking ****, our country shits all over yours in boxing." Your ridiculous comments like that show that, you my friend, is tryin too hard.

 

Troy Ross

 

McLarnin had three citizenships but he was an Irishman.. I dont get it? How do you not get that? He was born in Ireland and said himself he was Irish.. That makes him Irish. He had other citizenships but thats all they were.

As for McGuinness and Ward, they both call themselves Irish and who are you to say they're not? Obviously they were born in Canada and America but both are proud of their roots and acknowledge themselves as Irishmen with Irish blood!

 

Pretty decent thread? Based on an Irishman.. Im not a troll (dont even know what that is) but when you see Canadians claimin Jimmy McLarnin was Canadian, was just pathetic.

 

I know McLarnin was three. It was a joke. That's why I included the emoticon, to indicate that I was on the wind. :roll::deal

Lou Broullaird (who was WW at the time) beat McLarnin pretty badly, and become a two division world champion (Undisputed at WW). He beat a lot of good guys, from McLarnin to all time great Mickey Walker. Ring might not include him on their all time list, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't a hell of a fighter when he was at his best.:deal

Anyway here's a longer list of Canadian champions: George Dixon, Mysterious Billy Smith, Eric Lucas, Matthew Hilton, Davey Hilton, Donnie Lalonde, Johnny Coulon, Albert "Frenchy" Belanger, Jack Delaney, Tommy Burns, Jackie Callura.

And again, for reference: Langford, Dixon, Delaney, Brouillaid, and Coulon are in the IBHOF, which is pretty good given that Canada didn't even gain independence till 1867 and therefore had less chance of producing pioneers like Donnelly and Ryan.

Division by division: I think the two are pretty close to be honest.

 

Moron? Thats the first time you called me that.

What do you mean by that? And by the way, it wasn't a DVD, it was ESPN, and that documentary is proof that McLarnin was not Canadian, that he never considered himself Canadian and you still argue that he was? Laughs? Dont be an idiot mate. Im just here tellin you Canadians that your wrong about McLarnin and you cant accept it. And by the tone of your comments, you weren't havin any laughs pal.

 

I checked out the IBHOF and posted the Irish ones. The list of Canadian champs is about the same amount as Irish list I posted there.

Since your talking about independance, Ireland didn't get our independance untill 1949 and on this island we have a total population of 6 million.

And not tryin to be a dick but Jack Delaney is a very Irish name is it not? Just jokin man, not gonna get into that. My only point was that Jimmy McLarnin was an Irishman. You seem to have a decent knowledge on boxing and I thank you for a good debate, wether it started out foul or not, at least we could have a decent disscussion. I have to leg it now but just let it be know I have absolutely no doubt Canada has produced good fighters. Anything offensive/insulting I have said was out of pure bias.

The other two lads were just a pair of muppets.

Have a good one.

 

Regarding the Molitor debate, it's pretty clear that Molitor hasn't been the same fighter ever since Cabellero demolished him. That's not dismissing Frampton's chances of winning a world title or even saying that Molitor wins if he fights Fox at his peak, but I think most everyone who has followed Steve's career would state that he probably produces a much better showing against Frampton at his best than the **** poor non-effort that he produced in that fight. Molitor looked like he wanted to be somewhere else the moment he entered the ring.

I like Frampton. Wish him well. But the way that "fight" went down is something that should be taken with multiple grains of salt.

Just saying.