If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

lol at Failey

 

see what I mean? just switch the meaning of the word for one of opposite/close to opposite meaning, and Bailey suddenly makes sense

good = poor

away = home

win = scrape

'poor home scrape for Calzaghe'

though in Fail's defence, the result was relatively very 'good' for someone whose other six defences around it were against **** opponents.

 

He beat Benn, gave Eubank two tough fights and performed well against McCallum while McCallum gave one of his best performances ever. Given that I think it is hard to justify eliminating him as one of the top fighters of his era in favor of Graham or Littles considering he did no worse than either of them in his professional career.

Robin Reid in 1997 when Reid was undefeated and the WBC World Champion and Nigel Benn.

Since you've given me Benn in a later edit I wont justify this.

I'll concede this.

Rocchigiani was also an undefeated former world champion when Eubank went to Rocchigiani's backyard to fight him, and would go on to capture a world title in another weight class. Its still an impressive win for Eubank over a dangerous opponent proven at the world level.

Collins had given McCallum, R. Johnson and Kalambey difficult fights only to be out-pointed. He beat Eubank and Benn and certainly did not have any less success than Graham or Littles.

Calzaghe was a rising Super Middleweight and Eubank was on decline. Not every fighter reaching the end of his career would get in the ring with a younger, hungry fighter looking to take on the world - Calzaghe certainly didn't when Dawson was on the rise - so regardless of how green Calzaghe may have been I think his fight with Eubank still has to count against the idea of Eubank avoiding people.

What didn't? Didn't Thompson hold a World title? Or are you going with the "WBO is worth jack" philosophy? In my opinion if you reach the world level, if you capture a world title or have numerous fights for a world title or with world champions then you are world class, but I will add that there are tiers in the world class category which, in a grading system would be A+, A, A-, B+, B and B-, and Thompson would be a B-level.

Graham was, undoubtedly, a excellent boxer, one of the best ever technically, I dont deny that and have never made any attempt to deny that. But to include him in a list of top fighters without including Benn, Watson or Collins when they had a similar or greater level of success than he did is doing them a disservice. Graham was a World Class fighters but there is no way he can be put above Benn or Eubank as a top fighter of his era when he never beat another top fighter of his era.

He was a successful and decorated amateur? So what? That means jack when it comes to the professional scene. Audley Harrison was a successful and decorated amatuer and he's a flop as a pro, and he's not an anomoly, many former amatuers fail as pros. So I am not convinced by Littles' amateur record that he was a great pro-boxer when his only win of note is against Liles - a fighter who out-classed him three times in the amateurs and who would outclassed him again in the pros in the rematch and in his pro-career in general.

 

you'll find I said it was a good win. Quote me in future - writing the opposite of what I said is Team Elite teritory, which I am sure you are leagues way better than. cheers.

 

Bailey, tell me how Ward is supposed to avoid fighting people that have fought Calzaghe. Everyone fights leftovers from the previous decade and previous champion, unless they can travel in time lol (which would be fun, pitching 21st century boxers against 19th century hardmen...but its NOT REALITY, Bailo).

Unless Ward LITERALLY travels in time to when before Joe was fighting, or forward to when Joe's leftovers have all retired, how is he supposed to avoid fighting them?

You must expect Andre to go borrow Doc Brown's De Lorean time machine from 'Back to the Future' to travel forward to 2020 in order to avoid Calzaghe's leftovers.

Another legendary point raised by Failey.

 

If I were Joe, the only way I would consider this is BIG, no Huge money, in Wales, at 175.

If they paid me right, let me fight at home, and did not force me to make 168, I'd consider it.

 

Haha!

 

Are you really this daft Herol? Guess so.
The way Ward could avoid fighting leftovers is by taking on the real challenges like Cleverly who has not been beaten and is being avoided.
A far greater challenge than Pavlik beaten by a former WW and a fighter coming off a loss.
What is Pavliks big win above MW?

Just for the record, Doc Browns time machine isnt real patsch:yep

 

like the content of your posts. get the irony.

Just dont post the failed arguments again, never mind trying to defend them.

 

people seem to forget calzaghe had ****ed up hands for alot of his career that made him hit alot softer .

 

The reason the man ****ed up his hands was because of the way he threw punches.

I don't buy into he was that much of a power puncher prior..I mean who did he really KO to have made him such a puncher.

 

In 45 fights he never knocked anybody out that couldn't beat the 10 count.

 

Calzaghe had hand injuries right back to his junior days because he was so aggressive and threw so many punches, and was told he`d never be able to box professionally, did nt do too bad if you look at his pro KO record. He kicked adversity in the bullocks!

Look anyway im off soon im going to Electric Guru`s Team Elite Welcoming Party, i might just get my foot in the door at such at prestigious event...

 

If the desire to fight is not there then you cant force yourself to fight .I think his desire left a long time ago. So if i were him i wouldnt unless my heart was in it and could summon the dedication and motivation.