Thin Technical observations on Brandon Rios, and Nonito Donaire.

SJS19 · Oct 14, 2012

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Rios-Alvocado(Alvarro, ****, Alvarado)-

Forgot Alvarado started off jabbing but then went towards in fighting. Was pretty open to the left hook but mainly overhand rights from Rios. Fun fight with inside ability but not a Marquez-Katsidis or classic infighting such as Corrales-Castillo wars.

Sorry the Rios hype is getting to me so I had to bring that up lol.

Alv would look to jab to keep his distance but most of his work as well as Rios was from inside and mid range. Skillful despite how brutal it looks. Both men tending to ignore the body for the most part at least early on. Alvarado usually gets started jabbing but always goes right back to scrapping instead of boxing. Fun as a casual viewer but from a perspective as coach it is mighty frustrating. Mainly there defense is holding their hands up which I don't count.

TBF, Alv said he did look to box but said he had to throw more riskier punches. That does nothin to describe his lack of footwork. It was either fight or rest and no inbetween. Rios brought the fight to him but Alv did not have the proper foot technique to circle him and keep him reseting. Both guys too straight anyways. Seems like hooks and uppercuts could not miss with either fighters further highlighting their lack of head movement and just covering up as defense, which I dont count.

Well bodyshots didn't land much honestly which was very odd as thats the main punch in almost all inside exchanges. They did well to keep their elbows high enough to block those but again lack of activity to downstairs just made it predictable they would work the "branches" and not the "root". Left hooks to the head did slow Mike down at times as early as the third but Rios should have mixed in more bodywork and he could've taken him out sooner than the 7th.

The exchanges were getting to Alv. He didn't have that bounce he had in the early rds and was just looking more to trade than box. He was never that mobile anyways but my point stands is that he was looking slower little by little. One thing I did love is his commitment to start every rd jabbing even though he always would fall into brawls. Inside he didnt place his right hand in the proper position to block left hooks as routinely would get tagged by them and they did the most damage to him. Rios mistake is that he lets his opponent get around him and move freely thus time and time again failing to cut off the ring. We saw the same problem against Abril though this time he got lucky as Alv was a brawler.

May come off as overly critical but I have to I love the art of boxing and not the brutality. Despite their flaws it was a fun fight and both guys were skilled offensively in the inside. The stoppage was fair as Mike did seem like he was looking for help and more punches against him means more punsihment he didnt need to take. Can understand it going a little longer but again, less damage against Mike.

Nishi/Donaire:

Nonito finally looks great against a negative fighteer about time! Despite Nishi looking like he was only in it for retirement money I gotta give Danaire his props. Nishi respected Donaire's power(too much) and was very weary of hard counters that Nonito is skilled at. Nishi kept that right hand very high and just stayed defensive.

Nonito would circle him, feint, then nail him with a straight right hand either to the head or body. His left hand was a measuring stick as to what punch he would through while he circled as he would feint with it and seldomly jab. Mainly looked for big punches but not haymakers. Even when ducking and pivoting Nishi would have his hands in the appropriate spots to block but never truly fire back. Nonito look for the right hand early a bit too much until he started going to the body as the fight progressed.

Since Nishi was failing time and time again to mount or even try to mount an offense Nonito became more assertive. He was trying to get through the guard when he should have been trying to get around it. Nonito was still getting him but he'd have to win rds by default as Nishi was not looking to win and Donaire was still effective. Loved the feint then right hand combos by Donaire. Nishioka was spending too much time predicting what Nonito would do and while he was slightly tilted he usually got caught by right hands. Jab was barely a weapon but more of a gateway and allusion so Donaire could land combos and big punches.

Nonio stayed on the move and would always circle and get in new positions after attacking. Footwork isn't too bad though he was getting reckless at times. He's a victim of headhunting but is doing enough work to get away with it as well as Nishi not looking to counter of fre back in general. Never looked to mix it to the body and only looked for single shots down there. Ironically the first kd(rd 6) came from a left hook to the body from Donaire followed by a left uppercut up top.

In the 7th Nishi became more aggressive but only limited to throwing single shots then evading whether by rolling or stepping out. Only was looking to time him with the left. The jab was slightly effective only because Donaire was bouncing around waiting and got caught a little. Maybe it was a giveaway rd as Nonito looked very damn bored and (GGG!) Nishi was slightly landing the more telling straight punches but Donaire had the "flashier" but more efficient work.

After Donaire did the Chris Paul spin-flop in rd 9, Nishi went after him like a minute later. He had a bit of success jabbing him against the ropes only to be put on his ass again but this time by a straight right. He looked out of it but possibly could've continued. Again, less unecessary punishment taken the better. Would have liked this fight more than the first had Donaire went to the body much more. Props to him and all fighters I've mentioned in this card showcased on HBO Sat night.

Rios-Alv was good but Nonito-Nishi was ight. Had fun with the breakdown.
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I've been outdone :good

PityTheFool said: ↑

Can you at least try to elaborate?
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Sorry, only thin observations for the time being. :bart

Genaro G · Oct 14, 2012

That was worse than reading one of Bogotazo's over-analyzed bull**** write-ups. Tried my best to get past the 2nd paragraph. Sorry i couldnt do it bro

Bogotazo · Oct 14, 2012

Genaro G said: ↑

That was worse than reading one of Bogotazo's over-analyzed bull**** write-ups. Tried my best to get past the 2nd paragraph. Sorry i couldnt do it bro
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Gee thanks Genaro, tell me how you truly felt when Jr. got schooled.

techks · Oct 14, 2012

^^ :rofl

For the record, I love your breakdowns Bogo. You, Sjs, and formerly Leon helped me step up my craft as a boxing analyst. Others too such as IB.

SJS19 · Oct 15, 2012

Genaro G said: ↑

That was worse than reading one of Bogotazo's over-analyzed bull**** write-ups. Tried my best to get past the 2nd paragraph. Sorry i couldnt do it bro
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It's alright, the write up was for people with average reading ability and above, so you're excused...

Jack · Oct 15, 2012

Bogotazo is a really good poster and his analysis is worth reading. Most analyses on ESB are boring, predictable and stretched out but he actually knows what he's talking about. Most posters are better off keeping it concise because they lack the knowledge to expand.

Genaro G · Oct 15, 2012

Bogotazo said: ↑

Gee thanks Genaro, tell me how you truly felt when Jr. got schooled.
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Im just messin with ya Bogo

Genaro G · Oct 15, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

It's alright, the write up was for people with average reading ability and above, so you're excused...
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Thanks broatsch

Son of Gaul · Oct 15, 2012

kragz said: ↑

I agree, Rios was impressive with his inside game with those short right hands. I wonder how many more fighters Arum can find for him that allow Rios to fight such a way, though. He has a much better shot at JMM than Pac IMO. And that is still slim-to-none.
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Of the top contenders at 140, Peterson and Provodnikov are the most obvious examples though I also see him having success against Zab and Garcia.

Son of Gaul · Oct 15, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

Two very different fights last night. Both were equally intreuging, if not equally entertaining.

First we were treated to Rios vs Alvarado. Now all to often in Boxing we're promised a quality show, a war. Nobody wanted to jinx it but as mentioned by Max Kellerman last night, this fight was as close as you could get, to gauranteeing a great fight. It didn't dissapoint.

Firstly, I think the stoppage was premature. Yes Alvarado was hurt, but he recovered very quickly. If you look at the point of stoppage, Alvarado had his hands up and was in the process of initiating a clinch as Rios stepped away. In fairness to Pat Russell (the Ref) Alvarado looked right at him for help, after taking a right hand from Rios. Also Mr Russell impressed me with 'I want to take a fighter out into deep water, but I do NOT want to drown them.' When we're caught up in the emotion of savagery, it's easy to forget that fighters are humans, who need to be protected. Alvarado could of gone on for me, but I have no major complaint.

Let's look at Rios :

He still looked ill at the weigh in. This kid will never be great at cutting weight. What's important is how he recovers. He re-hydrates to a point where he can take a solid shot, which is obviously vital given his style. As far as physical strength goes, he impressed me last night on the inside, where if he wasn't the stronger of the two, he was at the very least able to plant his feet and hold his ground.

Footwork doesn't warrant technical discussion here. Both guys feet were set to full frontal assault. With the rare exception of Alvarado, who would look for distance to dictate with a jab, before losing discipline and falling into a war again.

Alvarado implied a form of shoulder roll defence in this fight. Only giving Rios half of his body to swing at. What this did highlight was Rios' ability to work his left hand over and over from unorthodox angles. Watch Rios get close, and throw a left hook to the body, then from there he doesn't draw his hand back, he forces it upwards to clock Alvarado in the head. The original punch gets Rios hand behind the guard, he then keeps it behind the guard and powers his way north. The variation on his left hand was his greatest scoring wepon last night.

Sad thing is that Rios can box, and where as we all love being entertained, this kid will have a terrible life after Boxing, unless he can start defending himself better. Sadly I doubt he'll ever have the discipline to do that.

Rios should stay away from Matthysee because he'd be stretchered out. I would however, love to see him fight Lamont Peterson.

Now let's look at Donaire :

For weeks now, Nonito had been calling Nishioka the best fighter in his division. Now it's apparent that the Japanese fighter is way past his best and not as good as messers Mares, Moreno or Rigondeaux. We all bit with curiosity though didn't we. Nishioka hadn't lost in eight years and had a good win over the ever game Rafa Marquez in his last fight.

First thing I noticed was the size difference. I don't know Donaire's ring weight but I'd guess it to me the mid 130's. Nishioka on the other hand can't of been much more than 126lbs. Donaire is a big guy, with speed and power, a hell of a combination.

Now, let's be clear. Nishoka came in more concerned with not getting hit, than with hitting Donaire. The fight was frustrating, especially given the Ward-Gatti esque fight we were treated to directly beforehand. Nishoka came out with his right hand (His lead hand, seeing as he's a southpaw) way up high. Clearly to negate the left hook of Donaire, the same one which blew Montiel away. The answer for Donaire would of been to invest to the body, but if the American/Fillipino has a flaw, it's that he doesn't do that. So Donaire comes out and sets pace with his jab, throwing the occasional combination which is fended off by Nishioka who is firmly set on defence. Donaire takes the first several rounds on activity.

One thing to note is the footwork of Donaire, the man has very quick legs. His feet allowed him to maintain offensive initative no matter which way Nishioka turned.

After the first knockdown, Nishioka decided to come forwards. He actually had minor success, primarily with the right jab, yet with the straight left too, but his shots didn't see to bother the much heavier Donaire. Now the finish really is clever from Nonito...

He backs up against the ropes, and Nishioka throws a few jabs, Donaire watches the first two and gauges the timing of them, also allowing Nishioka to settle into an offensive rythm, thus taking his mind off of defense at last. With the final jab, Donaire shoots his right hand at the same time, dropping the Japanese fighter, who's corner seemed happy to pull him out. No point in Nishioka taking a beating when he can collect his cheque, and retire.

Donaire from here, should be looking at one of the three big guns in his division. Failing that, he really should chase Chris John. John is ripe for the taking and has been fighting stiffs for years. Taking the Indonesian's 0 would look very impressive, and set up bigger matchups at 126.
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How can you say the stoppage was premature when the guy looks at the ref and silently asks for help?

Bogotazo · Oct 15, 2012

Genaro G said: ↑

Im just messin with ya Bogo
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:thumbsup

And I appreciate the compliments folks.

Have to agree that the stoppage was justified; you can't let your hands drop against the ropes and eat hard punches like that consecutively, even if you are still conscious.

Hook! · Oct 15, 2012

how do you think a rematch would go? Another ****ing war!

ajackman1 · Oct 15, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

Two very different fights last night. Both were equally intreuging, if not equally entertaining.

First we were treated to Rios vs Alvarado. Now all to often in Boxing we're promised a quality show, a war. Nobody wanted to jinx it but as mentioned by Max Kellerman last night, this fight was as close as you could get, to gauranteeing a great fight. It didn't dissapoint.

Firstly, I think the stoppage was premature. Yes Alvarado was hurt, but he recovered very quickly. If you look at the point of stoppage, Alvarado had his hands up and was in the process of initiating a clinch as Rios stepped away. In fairness to Pat Russell (the Ref) Alvarado looked right at him for help, after taking a right hand from Rios. Also Mr Russell impressed me with 'I want to take a fighter out into deep water, but I do NOT want to drown them.' When we're caught up in the emotion of savagery, it's easy to forget that fighters are humans, who need to be protected. Alvarado could of gone on for me, but I have no major complaint.

Let's look at Rios :

He still looked ill at the weigh in. This kid will never be great at cutting weight. What's important is how he recovers. He re-hydrates to a point where he can take a solid shot, which is obviously vital given his style. As far as physical strength goes, he impressed me last night on the inside, where if he wasn't the stronger of the two, he was at the very least able to plant his feet and hold his ground.

Footwork doesn't warrant technical discussion here. Both guys feet were set to full frontal assault. With the rare exception of Alvarado, who would look for distance to dictate with a jab, before losing discipline and falling into a war again.

Alvarado implied a form of shoulder roll defence in this fight. Only giving Rios half of his body to swing at. What this did highlight was Rios' ability to work his left hand over and over from unorthodox angles. Watch Rios get close, and throw a left hook to the body, then from there he doesn't draw his hand back, he forces it upwards to clock Alvarado in the head. The original punch gets Rios hand behind the guard, he then keeps it behind the guard and powers his way north. The variation on his left hand was his greatest scoring wepon last night.

Sad thing is that Rios can box, and where as we all love being entertained, this kid will have a terrible life after Boxing, unless he can start defending himself better. Sadly I doubt he'll ever have the discipline to do that.

Rios should stay away from Matthysee because he'd be stretchered out. I would however, love to see him fight Lamont Peterson.

Now let's look at Donaire :

For weeks now, Nonito had been calling Nishioka the best fighter in his division. Now it's apparent that the Japanese fighter is way past his best and not as good as messers Mares, Moreno or Rigondeaux. We all bit with curiosity though didn't we. Nishioka hadn't lost in eight years and had a good win over the ever game Rafa Marquez in his last fight.

First thing I noticed was the size difference. I don't know Donaire's ring weight but I'd guess it to me the mid 130's. Nishioka on the other hand can't of been much more than 126lbs. Donaire is a big guy, with speed and power, a hell of a combination.

Now, let's be clear. Nishoka came in more concerned with not getting hit, than with hitting Donaire. The fight was frustrating, especially given the Ward-Gatti esque fight we were treated to directly beforehand. Nishoka came out with his right hand (His lead hand, seeing as he's a southpaw) way up high. Clearly to negate the left hook of Donaire, the same one which blew Montiel away. The answer for Donaire would of been to invest to the body, but if the American/Fillipino has a flaw, it's that he doesn't do that. So Donaire comes out and sets pace with his jab, throwing the occasional combination which is fended off by Nishioka who is firmly set on defence. Donaire takes the first several rounds on activity.

One thing to note is the footwork of Donaire, the man has very quick legs. His feet allowed him to maintain offensive initative no matter which way Nishioka turned.

After the first knockdown, Nishioka decided to come forwards. He actually had minor success, primarily with the right jab, yet with the straight left too, but his shots didn't see to bother the much heavier Donaire. Now the finish really is clever from Nonito...

He backs up against the ropes, and Nishioka throws a few jabs, Donaire watches the first two and gauges the timing of them, also allowing Nishioka to settle into an offensive rythm, thus taking his mind off of defense at last. With the final jab, Donaire shoots his right hand at the same time, dropping the Japanese fighter, who's corner seemed happy to pull him out. No point in Nishioka taking a beating when he can collect his cheque, and retire.

Donaire from here, should be looking at one of the three big guns in his division. Failing that, he really should chase Chris John. John is ripe for the taking and has been fighting stiffs for years. Taking the Indonesian's 0 would look very impressive, and set up bigger matchups at 126.
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