Is Kostya Tszyu ATG

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  1. Iron Mick Titan

    Iron Mick Titan I thought we was havinfun Full Member

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    No.What do you guys think
    mitchell(twice)
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    old chavez

    is that really enough to make you an ATG.
     
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  2. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    No his not.
     
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  3. Haye

    Haye Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course he is
     
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  4. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    no.
     
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  5. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is one of the greatest Light Welterweights of all time. That makes him one of the greats in my book.

    At 140, I only rank him below Julio Cesar Chavez. His resume is arguably better than Pryor's.
     
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  6. cfizzl3

    cfizzl3 Active Member Full Member

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    I think yes. As stated he dominated the 140lb division.

    If we consider Ali an all time great for staying in the same weight division, then we have to consider Tsyzu plain and simple.

    Instead of just saying "no"...try and elaborate abit why?
     
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  7. Iron Mick Titan

    Iron Mick Titan I thought we was havinfun Full Member

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  8. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He would probably be in the bottom of my top 100. He's top two or three in the 140 lb. division, that gets him there.
     
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  9. bigtime9

    bigtime9 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he didn't beat anyone at 140 to be considered top 5 atg at 140 let alone in relation to history. zoo also lost to two fighters like hatton and phillips. are you saying phillips and hatton would of had a chance again pryor
     
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  10. King Dan

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    He is a top 5 140 guy of all time, so YES!
     
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  11. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson lost to Douglas... Tyson lost to Williams. Is he that bad as his losses? No, that's a bad argument.

    Tszyu has beaten better opponents than Phillips and was only defeated by Hatton in a very close fight up to the stoppage (by own corner, kinda suddenly), in an pro-Hatton crowd and event and he lost to Hatton after a very long layoff, after injuries and at a quite old age (just the Mitchell fight in 2 years)

    You have to look at Kostya's opposition, pro, contra, way of victories, way of defeats, domination in weight class, avoided opponents (if there's any), overall skill level, performance on big stage, maybe charisma, fame etc...
     
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  12. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Falls just short. But I suppose its down to how strict you are.
    I prefer not to worry weather a fighter is worthy or not of a particular label and just appreciate them for the ability displayed in the ring.
    Its a mark of how good he is that he's just about the only recent fighters who had an ok(ish) chance of beating Floyd. If you see his schooling of Vernon Forrest you'll know what I mean.
     
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  13. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    No.
     
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  14. ChampionsForever

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  15. TFFP

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    Yes

    He's clearly in the lower echelons, but he's there nonetheless
     
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