Ray Leonard: P4P Rating over last 50 Years?

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    IMO yes. I kinda think he made Turpin famous by losing to him. He was a little inconsistent at the weight as well. I can see you rating Ray over Greb though if you count him beating Lamotta and Olson all those times. But did he really need to beat up Olson all those times. and Lamotta? :verysad
     
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  2. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    Cmon mang,

    Did Britton and T.K. Lewis need to fight 20 times?

    He kept fighting Olson because Olson kept fighting his way to the top against the division and was the champion at one point, earning his own entry. LaMotta was a perrenial Top 3 MW guy and those fights with eachother were good draws.
     
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  3. SJS19

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  4. Hands of Iron

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    :lol:

    I'm 100% white boy.
     
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  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Yeah, I was under the impression you were Mexican also, HOI. :conf :lol: You have a Mexicanness about you, brother.
     
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  6. turbotime

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    Hands is ashamed of his Mexican heritage :-(
     
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  7. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    :verysad

    Nope. I love my mexican people, but it isn't in my blood. My kids are half, though.
     
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  8. turbotime

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    Future world champs :happy
     
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  9. Hands of Iron

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    :lol:

    So are you satisfied with the reasoning for all the LaMotta/Olson bouts or what? :verysad He has more names at 160 than he even does at Welterweight! Even though he beat two of the Top 5 ATGs there.
     
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  10. PityTheFool

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    No,no no!:nono

    Iron is 100% AB.
    Dude's a ranking member of The Brand!:yep
     
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  11. Hands of Iron

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    Solid.
     
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  12. turbotime

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    It's a fine reasoning definitely. I'm cool with anyone rating ray #1 :smoke
     
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  13. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have Ray Leonard top in my list of fighters from 1980's - Present. But I would have Ali and Duran ahead of him if I went back into the 60s and 70s, so Leonard would possibly be at 3. Although I admit I don't know enough about a lot of the other fighters in the 60s and 70s to make a fair list yet, but Leonard would almost certianly be top 5
     
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  14. Royal-T-Bag

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    3rd, just below ALi and Duran
     
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  15. Hands of Iron

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    Just a hunch, but he fought Olson the first time because he was a top rated MW and Robinson was yet to get a title shot. He fought him the second time when Robinson was champion for the same reason as the former (a good champ fights the best). He fought Olson a third time because Olson had the title when Robinson came out of retirement and he fought him the fourth time because he was giving the former champ a rematch. Unfortunately for Carl, he was KO'ed in 3 of 4 meetings. Robinson's punches seemingly got more devastating when he went up to be a legit middleweight based on his notable KO wins at the weight against name guys.

    You see some of the others.. Guys getting cartoonishly Pulverized.
     
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